to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

(ytou can add Dh to the list when he's been home with me fro 4 months after redundancy but before Uni though, that's FAR mroe likely to prove fatal )

"Japan were giving single vaccines a month apart - in effect exactly the same as giving the MMR."

"paisleyleaf- Japan replaced MMR with singles given on the same day."

I didn't know that (......either of them)

Leonie, again your interesting read is from the 90s
pretty dated for science that is being researched into all the time.

I can understand parents choosing not to vaccinate at the time when it was all a bit up in the air.
But I would hope that for some, they know they can keep listening and reading about it with a view to reconsidering with new evidence / disease outbreaks etc

kerry"Well call me selfish, but I can a helluva lot more about my kids than anyone elses and I ain't getting them injected with something that has a very high risk of killing them outright."

I totally agree with you. I put the needs of my kids before those of anybody else's and there is no way I am going to endanger them for the 'greater good'

"In fact if you dig around in the Dept of Health stats you find numbers of mumps cases in teens and adults (ie when its dangerous) has rocketed since MMR was introduced."

show confirmed cases of measles, mumps and rubella 1996-2008

by age 1989-2007

Here we are:recent paper suggesting that waning vaccine immunity may account for mumps outbreaks in older vaccinated populations.

Funnily enough the Dept of Health seems to have forgotten to publicise that

watching this thread with interest/exasperation as would be more keen to see links to publications written by scientists, based on hard evidence and proper research rather than dated work and websites run by people with vested interests/pressure groups.

I cannot understand the rationale for mumps vaccination. Before the introduction of MMR it wasn't even notifiable. I just don't get it. It is a mild childhood illness.

Why why why introduce a vaccine and turn it into an adult one? I don't get it.

Erm well FrankMustard you can look at mine and FAQ's links right above your post

True about change in age distribution saintly.

Also those getting all hysterical about measles need to consider that cases in vulnerable infants are rising as a direct result of public health policy. Infants of vaccinated mothers do not benefit from passive immunity to the same degree as infants of mothers who have immunity from natural measles infection.

I guess those experts that decide policy kinda forgot to consider that or else decided that future generations didn't matter.

This has meant that the age recommended for MMR has got lower and lower despite clear evidence which shows that the younger the child the higher the risk for developing autism as a result of vaccination.

Go on then Frank find some.

me, I'm off to discuss rugby tour with MrsM on pag's thread. Bored now.

Bye

FrankMustard, I couldn't agree more.

YANBU. Although since this thread is 22 pages long it would seem there are a lot of people who can't tell the difference between a properly carried out clinical trial and a load of old bollocks. I would strongly suggest anyone who hasn't vaccinated their children reads Bad Science by Ben Goldacre. And then takes a good long look at themselves.

Saintly - what exactly do you mean? I don't understand 'it is a mild childhood illness'. I had it as an adult and it may have caused my miscarriage. Adults can catch it and it is far more serious as an adult. Can you explain your post?

Frankmustard if you actually go at look at those websites you will see that they are bursting at the seams with "links to publications written by scientists, based on hard evidence and proper research".

How about you read some of them and then get back to us with your thoughts?

To the OP - doses of Vitamin A have proven to help recovery from Measles.

Mumps is interesting - it as introduced in the late 80's/early 90's yes?

So why approx 15yrs later did that age group presumably targeted by the introduction of the Mumps vaccinations have a massive surge??

Where are the clinical trials following children from infancy to adulthood proving that vaccines are a) safe and b)work effectively?

Just wondering?

Longtalljosie I would strongly suggest you read this thread.

Ben Goldacre has written stuff about MMR which is plain wrong. He refuses to talk to parents about MMR though (even those who work in autism research).

I don't need to look at myself, I look at my son (non-verbal, age 10, currently walking round in a nappy).

Paisleyleaf - Re the Japan singles experience - actually the policy was to give them a month apart, but in practice they were often given on the same day.

Beachcomber - don't go pleeeeeasse! Want to know your perspective on Ben Goldacre. He is so often cited as the guru of all things sensible but I would like to hear your POV

ermm right and I'm supposed to believe the word of a Journalist (foremost) , and Junior NHS doctor (and registered psychiatrist) neither of which I presume give him any specialist knowledge on vaccinations.......over any of the other medical research papers out there????

kat2907 - that is exactly saintly's point - it is a mild childhood disease and a potentially serious adult one. The vaccine schedule is making more young adults vulnerable. Sorry about your miscarriage.

Ah I see. I suppose that's possible. Thanks