to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

'i know someone this happened to'

But anecdotal evidence is worth nothing, right? It is extremely rare for mumps to cause sterility, if mumps does cause orchitis it usually effects only one testicle. Cocxackie virus and others can also cause orchitis. Also having a mumps vaccine as a baby [and booster at 4] could well leave young adult men at their most vulnerable, vaccine immunity often wearing off, so why is there not a vaccine booster for young men when they hit puberty [and a rubella booster for girls at puberty?] I would call that socially irresponsible.

I think I'd be pretty irresponsible had I dished out vaccinations willy nilly to ds2 and ds3 given my knowledge of the current research into regressive autism.

Japan were giving single vaccines a month apart - in effect exactly the same as giving the MMR.

Londonone do you have any idea of the enormous conflict of interest issues that we are dealing with here when we talk of public health policy being decided by experts?

Who do you think those experts are and where do you think the funding comes from for much of their research?

You do understand that the vaccine/pharmaceutical industry is billion dollar business and that the financial stakes are extremely high don't you?

You do understand that the information available through the mainstream press is released by very powerful science lobbies which are funded by the industry don't you?

BTW you have a much better chance of getting treatment for your unvaccinated child if they develop complications of measles than you do of most doctors having a clue how to help a vaccine damaged child (or wanting to treat them as they are scared of ending up before the GMC and being witchhunted in the press like Andy Wakefield).

Are you honestly suggesting that treatment should be withheld from children because their parents exercised their democratic right to informed consent? To do so would go against the Hippocratic oath and the rulings of the Nuremberg trials.

paisleyleaf- Japan replaced MMR with singles given on the same day.

Plus as we're only interested in a small subgroup of the autism population rates of autism (which is not one discrete thing let us remember) tell us bugger all.

And there are plenty who disagree

The key is whether you have changed anyones mind, or just amde people feellike shit. I suspect in the main the latter yet I STILL won't be getting the jabs done. And actually, the HV / GP all said they think I have good reason to make that decision even if they don't agree with me.

All you've made me think (prawn and london) is that the quality of debate on MN is going downhill rapidly

wasn't even a month apart riven - it was same day. And it was introduced because the urabe strain of MMR was causing meningitis (aseptic mind so not hugely dangerous) - so the singles were introduced as a way round that. They weren't concerned about the MMR and autism- so dished it out on the same day.

When you actually do some research into vaccines, what is in them, how they are made, andd how effective they really aren't then you realise how they are not a magic completely safe solution. This is not just about MMR...

Aluminium affects the brain greatly and causes neurological and behavioural disorder and yet is in nearly all vaccines.Accordign to Richard Halvorsen's book the WHO injected safety level for Aluminium is 0.00014mg per kg bodyweight. Aluminium is found in the following quantities:
Pediacel (5 in 1): 0.33mg
Men C: 0.125 - 0.5mg (dep on brand)
Prevenar: 0.125mg
Hep B: 0.25mg

Maybe this is behind the increase in some cases of Autism, behavioural issues and autoimmune disorders etc?

nancy, it was for being offensive

no, it's not prawn, you had to concede what you tried to deny, which is that you believe the rights of vaccinating families are more important than non vaccinating families

and this irresponsibility thing you've just brought up now, you haven't really thought about it love -- it's just something you've come out with because you can't cope with the maths

I can't say I've read anything on here that has made me think 'oh I hadn't thought of that'.

FAQ - this is how herd immunity works. The age of the children is irrelevant.

prawn, you don't know how it works

night, will have a look tomorrow

Kerry? have you lost someone? I am so sorry didn't realise.

Are you OK?

I think FAQ's point about age is that the older group who are getting it either didn't have MMR for reasons nothing to do with Wakefield, or had MMR but have caught measles anyway.

bored - she wasn't being offensive in the least. She was stating her point of view very clearly and articulately and politely....you were the offensive one.

bored I'm very sure of my maths thanks - not sure you have the ability to grasp it though.

In fact if you dig around in the Dept of Health stats you find numbers of mumps cases in teens and adults (ie when its dangerous) has rocketed since MMR was introduced. Which is a bit worrying as natural mumps infection in a child is completely asymptomatic in a third of cases.

Did lots of people miss mumps vaccination (possible because of the withdrawal for a while when MMR was triggering meningitis- UK was about the last to withdraw that vaccine btw ) or is it because mumps vaccine immunity has waned.

I think someone should be asking whether it makes sense to turn mumps into an adult rather than child illness (and indeed tracking it to see what is behind the large increase in adult cases).

Oh I seeee...... phew LOL