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to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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elportodelgato · 28/04/2009 11:28

poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

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ruty · 28/04/2009 18:37

Presumably adults who do not get their vaccination status checked every year should also be refused treatment on the NHS if they get a vaccine preventable disease. Please, all of you, out of your social conscience, go and get your vaccine status checked immediately.

paisleyleaf · 28/04/2009 18:38

"However, MMR vaccine covarage has been falling between 1995 and 2003. "
Doesn't that make sense though, as Wakefield began his study in 1995.....from wikipedia:
"In 1995, while conducting research into Crohn's disease, he was approached by Rosemary Kessick, the parent of an autistic child seeking help with her son's bowel problems.[12] Kessick ran a group, Allergy Induced Autism,[13] which focused on the effects of diet on autistic children's behavior. Wakefield subsequently began the controversial Lancet study that ultimately included 12 children, including Kessick's son."
It's when all the queries started

ruty · 28/04/2009 18:38

Well then the question is provocative and totally pointless london.

Peachy · 28/04/2009 18:38

'Would you expect the NHS to care for your child if they were to become seriously ill with measles? '

if your child had a jab and reacted with ASD would you expect NHS care (ssshhh everyone with an ASD child who knows whats ervices are actually like

Of course you would, and so your child should receive it

And so my child should receive NHS help in the actually rather unlikely even they ever contract measles and become seriosuly illa s a result

sarah293 · 28/04/2009 18:39

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NotmyELFtoday · 28/04/2009 18:39

Can I ask a really thick question?
If the OP's child has caught measles, then surely the "idiot parents who dont have the MMR" are probably going through the same issue, i.e. a child with measles?

I waited to give DD the MMR. I had wanted single jabs, but couldn't find a place locally who did them, and couldn't really afford to pay, esp as there is a chance the jabs dont work and you have to repay to have them done again. Also there was the agony of do you give them the Measles jab first and hope they dont get Rubella in the meantime debate.

I did feel guilty when I let her have the MMR as I felt that they should be single jabs, and she'd not had a great experience with the other jabs she'd had. I was furious when the HV said she'd have to have MMR and the meningitis jab at the same time - esp when I'd previously said I wasn't comfortable with the MMR. I had to fight to get them to do them on different times.

boredwithmyoldname · 28/04/2009 18:41

No Prawn, you can't take it back. No matter how many unvaccinated children there are, you think they should all take a risk to protect a smaller number. You think they are less important. You think their rights are less important.

You do. That's what you think.

What you think about the parents is something very separate, and is more guff. I mean, quite offensive guff really.

londonone · 28/04/2009 18:41

Peachy - Do try and re read my post. I have not said at any point that anyone who disagress with me is thick! All I have said is that very few parents are experts on vaccinations, that's it. I happen to believe that matters of public health shopuld be decided on by qualified individuals who are experts on the subject rather than parents.

BottySpottom · 28/04/2009 18:41

YANBU - esp as by opting to have the injections, you put your own child at risk (albeit small risk) of an adverse reaction.

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FAQinglovely · 28/04/2009 18:42

paisley - but I thought the results weren't published until 1998??? So surely the effects of the actual study on the overall uptake would only happen once it was published? I mean ok we had the internet back then - but it wasn't used it the same way as it is now.........

kingprawnjalfrezi · 28/04/2009 18:42

What about if your unvaccinated son grows up, gets mumps and becomes infertile. Hope you could live with that. Oh and I know someone this has happened to.

EldonAve · 28/04/2009 18:42

I haven't read the whole thread but I agree with Podrick - you should blame the govt for the loss of public confidence in vaccination

We keep getting an MMR leaflet through the door with various dubious stats

To the OP - YABU
My kids are vaccinated but I fully support parental choice

LeonieSoSleepy · 28/04/2009 18:43

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goodnightmoon · 28/04/2009 18:43

Sow the wind
Dec 4th 2008
From The Economist print edition

The long-lasting consequences of a health scare

FLEDGLING engineers learn about disasters like the 1988 Piper Alpha oil-rig fire or the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger in 1986 as a reminder of the dangers that attend their profession. Perhaps, if the subject ever achieves respectability, media-studies undergraduates will pore over the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine scare in 21st-century Britain.

On November 28th the Health Protection Agency (HPA), which monitors infectious diseases, said that there were 1,049 cases of measles in England and Wales in the ten months to October 2008. Even before the year is out, that makes 2008 the worst year since 1995, when current reporting methods began (see chart). The rise, says the HPA, is due to a fall in vaccination rates. In 1998 91% of two-year-olds were immunised, but by 2004 that had fallen to 80%, far below the 90% rate needed to keep the disease under control.

Reluctance to vaccinate stems from a health scare surrounding MMR, a three-in-one vaccine designed to protect children from measles, mumps and rubella. In 1998 Andrew Wakefield, then a lecturer at London?s Royal Free Hospital, suggested that MMR could cause autism and opined that single-use vaccines should be used instead (although the paper he based his recommendations on asserted no such link).

Three years later, Dr Wakefield published another paper and the scare got into its stride. A breathless media blew his findings out of all proportion, making the idea of a link between MMR and autism into a huge story. Tony Blair, then prime minister, assured the public that MMR was safe but refused to say whether his own son had been vaccinated. Reassurances from doctors and ministers were widely disbelieved by a public which remembered soothing noises about BSE that were later proved wrong. A string of subsequent studies (and a meta-study of 31 other papers) found nothing to suggest that MMR has anything to do with autism. But it was too late: by then many parents, egged on by anti-vaccination campaigners, were refusing to give MMR to their children.

Epidemiologists at the HPA worry that the cohort of unvaccinated children may lead to a big outbreak, with between 30,000 and 100,000 people falling ill. That would mean a number of deaths: the fatality rate for measles in rich countries is one in somewhere between 2,500 and 5,000. Something similar has already happened with mumps: 55,000 people fell ill between 2004 and 2006 (death from mumps is exceptionally rare).

Happily, the dip in vaccination seems to have been temporary. Immunisation rates today are 85% and rising, and the government is running a catch-up programme for those who missed their jabs the first time round. Lessons have been learnt, too: Tammy Boyce, a research fellow at the King?s Fund, a health think-tank, says that professional bodies such as the Royal College of Paediatrics and the Royal Society now try harder to dampen scares early.

But she lays much of the responsibility for the MMR furore at the door of a scientifically illiterate, scaremongering press. And whereas health officials may have learnt from their experiences, she is less sure about the fourth estate. ?Have the media learnt anything?? she wonders. ?No, on balance, I don?t think they have.? With some of the campaigners that opposed MMR now questioning the safety of a vaccine designed to protect teenagers against the human papilloma virus, a common sexually-transmitted infection, that is a depressing conclusion.

Peachy · 28/04/2009 18:44

I did read your posts, that is what I extrapolated from them, that assumption. if its not as you intended it is certainly as you are coming across.

FAQinglovely · 28/04/2009 18:45

"I happen to believe that matters of public health shopuld be decided on by qualified individuals who are experts on the subject "

but come on Londonne - how often can you get 100 (or even 10 ) qualified individuals in a room all experts in their own field who actually totally agree with each other???

I bet even at that conference that sainty attended with 1000 Autism researchers there were lots of differences of opinion, and they are all researching the same thing.

sarah293 · 28/04/2009 18:46

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boredwithmyoldname · 28/04/2009 18:46

Prawn, there we are, that's what happens when the debate doesn't go your way. You start getting all over excited and throwing out random "what if your child dies" exclamations. They add nothing. I expect you to bring up children on chemotherapy next.

saintlydamemrsturnip · 28/04/2009 18:48

At the autism conference I went to, there were plenty of people suggesting a role in autism for various vaccines. Although most would think not at huge numbers is my guess.

Given the immune system abnormalities being uncovered in autism I think it would be most odd if they never played a role.

I also find it interesting that the medics who have cared for my son at various times find it easy to accept that he regressed following a viral infection. That has never been questioned, indeed it is in his notes. No-one has suggested I just didn't notice he was autistic, or that I'm just looking for something to blame. But they seem to often have difficulties accepting that the same thing could happen from a viral vaccine strain. Not sure why.

FAQinglovely · 28/04/2009 18:49

goodnight - I fail to see how such a large rise in cases of measles in the age 10+ age groups see here (or even the 15-19yr olds if you want to go "further back" in terms of when they should have been vaccinated) can be put down to the vaccination take up rates as a whole.

Nancy66 · 28/04/2009 18:49

Bored - that's a bit rich coming from you considering you called somebody a fucking twat a few pages back for simply not agreeing with you.

sarah293 · 28/04/2009 18:51

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kingprawnjalfrezi · 28/04/2009 18:52

Isn't it going my way then? I think there are plenty of people on here who agree with vaccinations and that people are irresponsible who choose not to vaccinate.

paisleyleaf · 28/04/2009 18:53

Also, if there was the connection, you'd've thought that when Japan ceased to use the MMR then the rates of autism would've gone up.....but they haven't

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