to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

"Actually beachcomber some of us are concerned about those who are maimed and killed by diseases for which there are vaccines."

and yes and over 95% of those that are still permanently maimed or killed by measles are in the 3rd world where the general health care is not as good.

And as has been mentioned many times on this thread (but I guess you'll disregard it as it's all anecdotal) children that have been vaccinated can still get those illneeses.

Peachy - The leader of the BNP went to cambridge, unfortunately intellect and intelligence don't necessarily lead to good decision making.

novicemama, only got to page 4/18, will go back and read thread as v interesting.

i hope your DD gets better soon. Here in SW London uptake is low, both my DDs are due their boosters and this has prompted me to get on with it.

however to reassure you i know 5 children who have had measles and all are completely fine. i'm not belittling the disease, but for them it was no worse than chickenpox.

Beachcomer, I don't really know which link you want..
www.babycenter.com/204_court-says-vaccines-dont-cause-autism_10308427.bc
www. autism-watch.org/omnibus/overview.shtml
www.womenshealth.gov/news/English/624083.htm
http:/ /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_enterocolitis
Yep, I know about Bailey Banks too.

Sorry about the rubbish links Beachcomer
google something like 'special american court mmr autism'
Don't more people know about the ruling then?

Bored - yes in order for the vaccination programme to be viable they should be vaccinated - if this isn't happening the public health service should be more honest with the ones who choose to vaccinate and may be offer blood tests following vaccination to see if their children are immune. And in response to the OP I would be pissed off with those who choose not to vaccinate for no particular reason, if my 8mth old became seriously ill with measles. Also if the majority did vaccinate, they could probably raise the age of the first MMR vaccination.

SeeI dont see oursitas I'm alright Jack

I see it we're not alright, we've two disabled kids and one with SEN, and whilst if DS4 does develop ASD against by best efforts I will have to cope, if i felt there was anything I might have possibly done in any tiny way to prevent it I would go under.

That's not I'm alright Jack, but basic how much more could I take- ism

FAQ - That's why herd immunity is so important so that we don't have an epidemic.

Bored - Not really surprising you think that as he/she agree with you!

I would very much say watching a child lose their language to have NOT regained any of it age 10 (except one word- Mummy) is very much not alright Jack actually.

But as you were (in your own little world).

Peachy - I don't think anyone has suggested that anti -vacz have that attitude, someone suggested that those who are pro vacs had that attitude.

OK.

Thank you Prawn. You do think that the those five vaccinated children are more important than any number of non-vaccinated children then.

That took much too long.

And btw I disagree.

"Also if the majority did vaccinate, they could probably raise the age of the first MMR vaccination. "

go to the HPA website and look at some of the tables for epidemological data........look at the ages of infections/deaths etc.

but even with another epidemic - and figures are no where NEAR epidemic levesl in the UK - deaths (which have since 1940 been at less than 1%) and severe damage will be less than 20+yrs ago because of improved health care

Just out of interest to those of you who have chosen not to vaccinate. Would you expect the NHS to care for your child if they were to become seriously ill with measles?

Get angry with Tony Blair and his government who lost public confidence.

Don't get angry with parents trying to do the best for their kids with no information they can trust.

Faq - Of course they would be but does that, in your opinion, make a measles epidemic a risk worth taking, as it were?

hmmm here's an interesting one for those who blame the whole MMR take-up dropping on the Wakefield study

taken from the HPA website

"However, MMR vaccine covarage has been falling between 1995 and 2003. "

London - Do you think people who smoke should not be treated by the NHS if they get lung cancer?

Do you think young people who get STDs after failing to wear a condom should be treated by the NHS?

If you do, then God help us, do you really think that a child that has not been vaccinated, quite possibly because that child has been very unwell with something that has caused the parent to query/delay a vaccine should not be treated by the NHS if they got measles?

'Peachy - The leader of the BNP went to cambridge, unfortunately intellect and intelligence don't necessarily lead to good decision making.'

So basically anyone who doesn't agree with you is thick, and the fact that they have qualifications that indicate they can at least read research papers is irrelevant based on the existence of some other twats, this must be true because you don't agree with what you believe.

Fine.

Well I won't be agreeing with you, I am actually absolutely secure in my decision making and it seems our paths will never join.

I have much sympathy for the OP; if my child was so ill I would be angry and directing it pretty much anyone TBH. It's others who have absolutely no empathy or understanding of other peoples positions that feel free to criticise and tell us we are wrong that I struggle with. Saying one doesn't agree with someone is one thing; out and out bltant lack of respect and a complete refusal to attempt to understand anyone elses case is another.

Even if a person didn't agree with me (and like FAQ whwn I first came to MN I was on the side of the pro-MMR's, to ds3's cost) I like to think I'd at least understand where they were coming from in the case of people such as myself, MrsT, Silverfrog, Pag etc.

I may not be right but I am certainly not wrong to do what I feel is best for my child.

well I guess it depends on whether you class an steady number of approx 3,000 cases a year as being an epidemic or not...............

and why is the hype over it all about measles - and not mumps

and how come if the MMR take up is so poor has the number of rubella cases not also increased so dramatically??

bored the children are all of equal importance - its just some of the parents care less about the rest of society. Please don't put words into my mouth.

Er no I don't think that at all, I was just curious as to what the anti-vac people thought, given the same question (though sort of in reverse) was posed to me by Kay.

YANBU

i am the 1st to err on the side of caution but when some proper research shows any hint of link between MMR and autism, then I will consider not vaccinating.