to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

There was talk about making them sort of compulsory quite recently. In that only vaccinated children can attend school. I think like in France where you can only go to some nurseries if you've had the measles jab (.....and then go on to have MMR later too).

I have fully acknowledged that these things are not simply down to vaccinations but they have had a significant impact, but it is not only deaths we are talking about.

Bored - Not sure what your point is?

Pagwatch - Using wild and emotive language about being held down and jabbed does not do you any credit. Your child may well be one who shouldn't be immunised but that should be a decision taken by medical professionals not the parents.

London, I think you're trying to be so objectionable that you stop this thread in its tracks.

I can't imagine anyone would argue with a GP's/paed's opinion though, as with Pagwatch.

Not saying I agree incidently. Just that there was talk.
I don't think parents should be co-erced into it

Prawn, more please. You must have more than your earlier generalities.

Paisleyleaf can you link to the case you are refering to?

Hannah Poling is not the only case in the Omnibus Autism Proceedings to have been conceded. There is also the case of Bailey Banks.

Could you cite some of the new research that has come to light which makes you so sure that both of these cases would not win now and what does that mean for the other 4800 cases in the Proceeding, should they pack up and go home as it has all been settled now?

You say that Hannah Poling is an odd case but that is exactly what this is about. Some children for reasons of underlying susceptibility react badly to vaccines. Some of those children have developed autism.

The HHS is not in a position to judge whether vaccines can or cannot cause autism BTW. All the Special Masters can do is rule whether petitioners have succeeded or failed to establish causation. This is entirely different from making pronouncements about there being no link between vaccines and autism (which is indeed impossible to conclusively prove despite it being said all the time).

no, but just tell me where the maths is wrong

five out of a hundred children vaccinated, not immune

ten out of a hundred children not vaccinated, not immune

but those ten should take a risk to protect the five?

IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN

I mean, just a yes or a no

YES means must mean that you put the rights of the vaccinated family above those of the unvaccinated family

Leonie - There are parents all over the world who have all sorts of views, there are parents who think it's a good idea to tell their children that all black people are subhuman, there are parents who think it's ok for 11 year olds to smoke, there are parents who think that their children being suicide bombers is a great thing, .there are parents who think there very ill children should be denied blood transfusions. They all undoubtedly think they are doing the right thing and in many cases saving their children from some worse horror. Do you think that all these parents are able to make good decisions or do you think that sometimes being a parent doesn't necessarily qualify you to make a good decision.

I'm also going to charitably presume that londonone is advocating the state picking up the tab for life long care when children suffer from negative vaccine reactions. Or will it be that parents do not have the right to refuse, but they do have the responsibility to pick up the pieces?

it it helps, then remember you don't have to worry about the other 85 children

they are vaccinated immune so they are out of the loop, not ever going to be affected

london you are as mad as a snake

excellent point kay

'bored - you've not really got it. This is the problem with expecting the general public to make informed choices - they have to be able to understand the argument! '

I find that incredibly rude actually

Kingprawn my child had a bad reaction to a jab and has had her health destroyed as a result. We do not yet know if her IQ has been affected.

Your comment is repulsive and offensive and has no place in a serious discussion about children's health.

I can't imagine that I will be the only one to report it.

J was due for his MMR around the time this debate re-started - 2002 ish.

I watched some debate show on it and it had documentary bits. There was a woman on there I'll never forget. Her son was developing totally normally and then had the MMR. He got really ill and lost all his words except 'juice'. Then it was only 'oose'. Then he stopped talking and just lost all his skills .

A dcotor said no, no, it's all safe. Tony Blair wouldn't say anything at all, which in itself said a lot to me. But that mother knew her child and if she said (and video evidence backed up the before and after) that post-MMR, he regressed, that wasn't a risk I was willing to take.

I was a poor poor student, but used my student loan to get J single jabs.

Ironically, J is now diagnosed autistic anyway! But I'm still glad I did what I did.

OP,sorry your dd is ill, but remember it's not about laziness. It's about doing what you need to do for your kids - you're feeling it now, the anger that comes from wanting to protect your kids, and that's all that a lot of others are feeling.

saintly dame turnip - we keep being harassed to give J the booster (he is 7) - what's the feeling on boosters? We can't get the singles any more and I don't know whether to go for MMR booster now.

this thread is a new low on MN.

I think these people are all seconded from the Department of Health on an evening shift to wind us up. Or it's a quiet night at GSK towers and they need something to while the time away.

givemesleep - do you have an understanding GP? Getting a blood test will show if your ds will need a booster or not, if you think he can cope with it.

londonone, your comments are beginning to be offensive.