to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

Riven - I am glad you are not scared of diseases. Perhaps you should take a trip to a developing country and have a look at some of the children their. One of the reasons we are so much healthier in the west is because of public health programs like vaccination.

But you ARE saying those children are more important. You just don't like the way it sounds, possibly. But that's what you are saying.

You are saying that other children should take a risk to protect that choice, even if the unvaccinated outnumber the vaccinated.

So. Londonone
My DD has no allergies of which I am aware. However her perfectly healthy normally developing 18 month old brother regressed almost imediately after having the MMR and is now very severely autistic.

Would you make me get her vaccinated?

londonne - it can only be contraindicated if an actual anophalctic (sp) reaction to a previous immunisation has occured.

Many children have quite severe reactions to the first lot of immunisations which are not recognised as the above - so are not contraindicated for the MMR - but the parent feels uneasy about vaccinating with the MMR because of the reaction./

Pretty much in the same way as if one of my children had a bad reaction to a food I would be extremely wary of feeding it to them again - even if it hadn't been diagnosed as an allergic reaction (again touchwood my children appear to be allergy free..........so long as none of them have a reaction such as I did to the wasp sting - eek)

London, when I think of the absolute epidemic of allergies, ASD disorders and auto immune conditions suffered by this generation, I question your view. Clean water and good sanitation would resolve 70 pc of the developing world's health issues. In fact, just, clean water. You can't not know about the dramatic effect which improved sanitation had on infectious disease in the west.

londonne - WHO would disagree (partially) with that, they don't deny that the vaccination programme has reduced the instances of measles on a global scale, however my understanding of their information on the disease is that it is a much more severe illness for those that already malnourished (and therefore have a weakened immune system).

Rather much the same as with this swine flu - the deaths and severe illness from it have been in countries which have a much pooorer health system and more general ill health among their poor population, cases in the "West" have been much milder.

Believe me that's not what I'm saying - Perhaps the crux of my argument is that we can no longer assume that if we vaccinate our children they will not get measles. This is because of the number of people not taking up the vaccine - this is a fact - not an opinion.

Pagwatch - Yes I would. As I believe anecdotal evidence is no basis for a public health rpogram.

FAQ - Not quite foloowing what you are saying sorry!

Well it is though Prawn. That is what you're saying. You don't like it but it is. How are you not saying that? You read my explanation.

Only five per cent of vaccinated children are vulnerable. But you ask an increasing number of reluctant parents to vaccinate to protect them and their parents' choice. Even if the numbers of those children are much greater than the five per cent of vaccinated non-immune.

Sorry, but how is this wrong?

(Like babyOP I had measles when I was 11 months - my mother always said it was a dreadful few days, as the outcome could be so bad. So OP, best wishes and I agree!)

Bored - In my very first post I acknowledged clean water as the most important thing. In contrast to you when I think of the epidemic of allergies, ASD disorders etc I tend to see an outbreak of overdiagnosis and paranoia rather than a serious and public health problem.

it's intersting that all of this talk is about children...................but no mention of the adults...............(or dont they count??)

what I am saying is that the reduction in deaths and serious damamge from measles in the West isn't just down to vaccinations - and WHO agrees (or should I say I agree with WHO )

right - my children need feeding

Thanks London
then you have no empathy, no common sense, no humanity and no common decency.
You would advocate my DD being forciablt held down and jabbed against the wishes of her parents ( and interesting against the guidance of her GP and Paediatrician)

You have helpfully illustrated why your comments and observations merit absolutly no respect whatsoever.

I didn't know they did FAQ.

I had the Single Measles vaccine at the age of 1 yr and I wasn't protected,as I caught it later.

On a recent Study day,thats what we were told as to why the MMR vaccine is scheduled for 13-15mths, and not before.

oh well London

if you turn your back on Buckingham Palace you can say there's no evidence it's there

if three thousand people are standing in front of you saying "but I can see it!", you don't have to believe them

you can just stand there, not looking, and tell them they are wrong

Leonie - Some things should not be the choice of the individual, or do you not believe that?

oh I've never had a post deleted

fucking stupid twat London

maybe this will do the trick

Riven - I posted a link earlier to the infections/deaths from measles from 1940-2008 - it's somewhere much further down the thread

Londonone, I find the drink-drive example baffling.

It is illegal to drive a car over a certain limit. This is something you are not allowed to do.

There is a big difference between a law that forbids a certain wildly dangerous behaviour, and a law which literally forces unwanted medication on someone. I'm going out on a limb and presuming you understand things like 'liberal democracy' etc.

I shouldn't have come back.

I am off to pick up DS from his Disability support playscheme.

My dad did warn me never to argue with a drunk or an idiot.