to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

Sent silverfrog.

BTW I've thought the same for ds2 and ds3 and just decided to wait then get a few done (ds2 7 now, ds3, 4) Tetanus for sure and measles too as they get closer to puberty. They can make up their own minds about things like men C when they're older.

Would love to hear some feedback on published studies and research as linked to above when anyone has time.

Would also be interested if anyone here who is so sure that all the MMR/autism research is nonsense if they could link to some robust science which backs that claim up.

I'm reading this at the moment. Very interesting as it looks at the many facets of this issue

Your DD could have caught it from a vaccinated child.

You suggest parents are idiots because their children cannot for whatever reason receive the MMR vaccine. That is really ignorant.

All children are not alike. When are people going to accept this.

OP - In my opinion you are being completely unreasonable beacuse.....

1. People do not opt out of immunisations because they cant be arsed. In my experience they always have a very good reason for their decision. Generally their dc or dc's siblings have had a previous vaccine reaction. I sincerely hope that none of your children ever have a vaccine reaction but if they do believe me you will change your views. My dd had seizures following her 16 week immunisations. After MUCH research I will not being giving her the MMR singly or as a whole. I will probably give a tetanus and possibly polio booster at some point. Vaccine reactions whilst rare are real, do happen and are always denied by the NHS.

2. Your child did not necessarily catch measles from an unvaccinated child. About one out of 10 children who receive the MMR do not develop any immunity to measles.

In my personal opinion the UK immunisation schedule is completely insane - too many vaccines too close together and too soon. I am expecting baby number 2 and for this one I will start vaccinating later than the recommended 8 weeks although havn't decided when exactly yet. I will be going private and having the vaccines spread out with only 1 or 2 at a time and opting out of many recommended by the NHS.

I hope you have seen from this thread some of the reasons why people decide not to vaccinate and hopefuly you will see that myself and others are not in any way 'stupid people'. I do wish your dd a speedy and complete recovery.

just wanted to sign out of this thread - thanks so much for everyone who has wished my DD well - she is in so much pain but has finally gone off to sleep, poor thing, I am hopefully that as she is very healthy generally it won't be too long before she's back to normal.

I should have realised before I posted that this issue was going to run and run so I am sorry for dragging up all the old arguments!

I hope she is well soon novice, and that is over as quickly as possible.

Sorry, I'm with the OP on this one. There are, of course, those who have children that have medical reasons not to have the vaccines. But I personally know at least half a dozen families that have not vaccinated their children because they've "heard that there might be a problem with the MMR" but they haven't done any type of research or reading up on it - just a knee jerk reaction to something they heard or read in the paper and that's it - no jabs. To me, this type of parenting is idiotic - and unfortunately far too prevalent - and I've seen it in the US and the UK, so it's not just here. A few of these mothers are the "nothing but natural for my child" type that I swear would give their kids tree bark to eat if they thought it was healthy for them. No basis for their beliefs other than following the sheep the other direction.

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Haven't logged on all day and now I realise that some grater force was trying to prevent me from shooting myself.

Fucking shitty wanky thread
Fucking shitty wanky people

don't call people idiotic triggles

how do you like it?

triggles you're an idiot

silly woman

you have no idea at all

Your poor DD novicemama. I really hope she gets better soon.

I do think YABU blaming other parents though. Any medical treatment has potential risks and side effects so parents are entitled to make the decision not to proceed with vaccinations or any other medical treatment whether fully informed or not.

bored grow up - I stated it was my opinion and if you don't like it, too bad.

And actually, I DO know with those particular parents that no thought went into the decisions - I have far more respect for those that do not vaccinate for valid reasons (i.e. children having medical conditions that could/would cause problems) or for those that are uncomfortable with the MMR and choose to do the single vaccines. At least they made INFORMED choices - there IS a difference. I stand by the opinion that those that made knee-jerk reactions and choices without any knowledge or information into situation are idiots. Deal with it.

no I don't like it -- you've based it on ignorance

it's bloody insensitive to the parents on here who've seen their children suffer vaccine reactions

why shouldn't we believe what they say? nobody's refuted it

you haven't looked into this at all triggles

maybe you've had a quick peek at nhs direct or something

look at some of beachcombers links

spend a couple of days really reading up

I guarantee you wouldn't call anybody an idiot after that

or perhaps you would if you're that self-righteous

Pagwatch if you do come back to this thread I just wanted to send you some very un MN hugs.

I know your family's story from previous threads and I can't imagine how awful it must be to read this sort of ignorant bigoted nonsense over and over again.

Personally I find it terrifying just how easily and comprehensively public opinion has been manipulated on this issue.

Who was it that said the public is an arse?

Actually, I've done a fair bit of research into it before vaccinating my own DS, so please don't assume you know what level of information I have about this.

OK what have you looked at before passing judgement so unpleasantly?

If you're so interested have a look at Beachcomber's links.

Yes Pag me too very much so.

Honestly -- you'd think people might have a bit more of a clue.

bored I can only think that you did not read my post thoroughly. I said NOTHING bad about those that vaccinated and had adverse reactions, or those that chose to use single vaccines instead of the MMR or that chose not to vaccinate due to specific health reasons that their children already have. I am puzzled by those that do not have any health constraints in their children and still choose not to vaccinate, even by using the singles, but then that is their choice. I said I knew some people personally that decided not to vaccinate based purely on a news story or chitchat from someone else - without making any type of effort to look into it further or familiarise themselves with it. It seems like incredibly irresponsible parenting to make such a big decision to not vaccinate without taking the time to inform yourself fully so you can make an intelligent decision.

Pag, am sorry you came across this. I hope you feel better soon.

bored and fyi, I am not going to be drawn into a "what have you looked at" debate as to what links are best to look at. I don't tell others specifically what to look at, any more than I expect others to lead me to what I need to look at. Generally, people most often post links that support their own theories. I prefer to do a fairly balanced bit of my own looking up. Hopefully, others do that as well.

of course we can choose not to vaccinate if we have seen terrible reactions in others and have failed to be convinced that this could not happen to ours

why the hell not? do you have to wait until you have a damaged child before you're justified in not damaging the others?

ridiculous

i repeat: you have no idea

and of course you're not going to be drawn into a "what have you looked at" debate

i'm afraid I shall have to say "scaredy cat" though

Amester - no she may not have caught measles from a un-vaccinated child, but the point is if the majority were vaccinated there wouldn't be an outbreak in the first place because the non-immune numbers in the population wouldn't reach the necessary levels.

Also 1 in 10 children won't be immunised by the vaccine but this is reduced to 1 in 100 with the effect of the booster.