to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

Soupdragon- well I'm not saying that vaccinations should be compulsory....it's the parents choice at the end of the day. But I do sympathise with the OP. My friends DS had whooping cough at 6 weeks old and nearly died. So I can understand why people get annoyed when their children catch a preventable infection because children havent been immunised.

ANd you know, some of those people you'd meet in the Uni's might just be on here.

Little known fact: M-Netters exist in RL too LOL

Seriosuly thought, journals aren't faked online as a rule, and they make intersting reading

"So I can understand why people get annoyed when their children catch a preventable infection because children havent been immunised."

presuming of course the the OP's GP is correct and her DD caught measles from an unvaccinated child

Sassybeast, nope not tounge in cheek. I have huge admiration for Dr Wakefield.

Could you please expand on which aspect of the 1998 report was considered to be fatally flawed by the Lancet and when they came to that conclusion considering that the report was peer reviwed and has been described by Richard Horton, then editor of the Lancet, as an excellent piece of research which stands unchallenged today. (Horton said this under oath at the GMC trial).

Can you link to a document detailing the flaws please?

haha - off topic - but I just clicked on what I thought with this thread.......only to be met by discussion of wind-up radios - was thinking blimey that moved on quickly

Saintlydamemrsturnip - the emminent well respected, consistent Mr Horton - staunch defender of Wakefield and unswaying in his support from day 1 ?

www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Dr%20Richard%20Horton%20and%20the%20W akefield%20Affair.pdf

But GP must surely have the exact chain of infection? Given that you couldnt know otherwise I amcertain no GP would make a comment like that otherwise.....

GP's always know best you know (excepting ones on here or mine who says BF should be given up in order to give Mum freedom. What teh freedom to feed as she chooses PMSL? )

silverfrog- I spoke to one of the experts on mitochondrial disorders (in the States) and he felt that ds had some signs - he gave me the name of a peadiatric neurologist at Cambridge who has worked with him who also agreed that ds1 had some signs. If you send me your email address I can forward you the correspondence we had. I now need to get a local paediatric neurologist to take this seriously (and have no idea how to go about it!)

I only want someone to prescribe him some blinking carnitine!

Er Sassy beast Horton has made no secret of his feelings towards Wakefield. Which make his comments under oath even more interesting wouldn't you say?

Peachy - of course not - why else would my doctor have sent me off to hospital with DS3 when he was about 7 months old with a suspected very bad chest infection...............only for his ear drum to burst half way through the day (as they were still deciding on the ward what was actually up with him as his SATS had stablized)..........they then decided he didn't have a chest infection at all and it was a bad ear infection

(personally I think the poor little sod had one of each)

although my best (and funniest imo) was the GP who when DS1 was 3 weeks old and had lost his voice (diagnosed with laryngitis) asked if he was sleeping through the night.......when I said no he asked why not - ermm because he's 3 weeks old and ermm that's why (to his credit when DS1 was a few months older and had bronchiolitis he was absolutely fabulous so I just put his daft comment down to a momentary loss of concentration )

Saint - he's changed his mind about the 'research' more often than he's changed his pants. Do you have a source for his comments to the GMC - I'm struggling to find anything on the GMC site which has direct transcripts - I'd like to read all of his evidence if I can ?

Thanks

ooh, thank mrturnip. Finding anyone who will take me seriously (as dd2 is currently NT) is proving very difficult. Would be good to talk to someone who knows anything at al, tbh.

silverfrog13 @gmail .com

good luck with getting carnitine for ds1. I just want to find someone who will weigh up what it might mean for dd2 at some point - she is clearly not affected right now (other than being FTT) bt of course, add in the vaccines, and who knows?

Peachy and Silverfrog, I am so sorry about what has happened to your dcs. I also read ALL the research on vaccinations, the effect on the gut as well as autisim specifically and have decided against it for my dd (and future dcs). I am by no means an idiot thank you very much OP but I hope your daughter recovers quickly.

well I'm going to love you and leave you all to it now.

Saintly and co - just remember (as you drag out all the old links from previous threads along side any new ones ) that someone may well be educated about the issues from it (even thought it's like deja vu for you)

and

Novicemamma - I hope your DD is better soon

Fleetingglimpse you seem to be under the impression that it is not possible to access original research on the internet.

My views on this matter are mainly based on two types of evidence.

One being reading published studies, reports and research in their original form.

The second on being the unquestionable body of parents who have witnessed and reported or tried to report their children being damaged by the MMR vaccine. One such report would be anecdotal but thousands of reports is a pattern. Such a pattern can scientifically be used to generate an hypothesis which should be examined in detail. There are thousands of parents who would like their children to be properly studied and treated. These parents had their Legal Aid withdrawn in highly dubious circumstances when they instigated litigation against the manufacturers of the vaccine which damaged their children.

They have plenty of evidence to show a court but they never got to do so

sassybeast - you might also want to read this article at the website you linked to

www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/LiesExposedAtTheUKMMRVaccineTrialCourt.pdf

Haven't read the whole thread but has anyone mentioned that you CAN actually get measles even if you've been vaccinated?! So, your DD's measles may have been given to her by someone who HAD actually been vaccinated.

I was vaccinated with mumps years ago and have had mumps 3 times. Ended up in hospital the last time for a week.

Life isn't black and white.

Yes, chelsea, several times!

lol Jack - I think most things have been said side by both "sides" of the debate........and from hence forth the thread will continue to go round in circles............which is the reason I (really am) leaving it now

There is no data anywhere linking ds3's post MMR regression with anything

Now I am not certain of a link, its more of I wouldn't write it off level with us (given the genetic thing, but also then there's triggers etc etc etc- its very, very complex).

There's nobody wants to hear you even if you are sure of a link, let alone if you think its a possibility.

Which results in no records

You're right FAQ - I'm off to do some work now!

sassybeast- no unfortunately. The transcripts have not been made available. So the only place I have been able to find detailed reports is the Hearing Diaries on Cry Shame. Which is hardly unbiased. The bit about Horton however, reads as a report rather than an opinion so I think is basically sound.

The Hearing Diaries are well worth reading though - to get a feel for the complexity of the case.
I'd also recommend this month's the autism file. Again a biased source, but it does have a very detailed article laying out the whole MMR fiasco written by a barrister.