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To ask DH to bring a couple of bits of shopping home?

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starsnstripes · 20/03/2009 15:42

Emailed DH to ask if he would bring some milk and bread home on the way back from work as thought I had some in the freezer.

He replied "Yes ok"

Then he sent a seperate e mail titled "Why"

It read
"why are running out of basic items?"

Know that sounds pretty tame but he has been really agrumentive recently and questioning everything I have'nt done or criticising what I have done.

It's just another case of him being verbally abusive and controlling.

OP posts:
theDreadPiratePerArdua · 21/03/2009 20:36

Yes, some people might find me attractive but that said more about their standards than my looks. And my topics of conversation - just because they might mention stuff on radio 4 didn't mean that people were interested...

About 6 months after I left, and 6 months that he hadn't been boring me to the fridge, I took a DJ home. Twice. 10 years later I still want to send him photos

Mummyella · 22/03/2009 10:12

A fantastic book on all this is 'The verbally abusive relationship' by Patricia Evans.

books.google.co.uk/books?id=XWgxgogz3aAC&dq=verbal+abuse&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=i4dPELWqD j&sig=W8abUUxiXOhWBcWb-R0HNmUE&hl=en&ei=dw3GSYeVKtSujAeLoPyGCw&sa=X&oi=bookresult&resnum=6&ct=re sult

(sorry about the long link)

Helped me realise that it was more than just XH being grumpy, it was his way of controlling me and preventing me from being able to ask him for anything I needed from him.

ABetaDad · 22/03/2009 12:08

Despite the flaming I got earlier I shall say again that I think this is one of the most unbalanced Relationship threads I have ever read.

Not a single post has actually considered what might be going through the man's mind (or his point of view in this relationship)except for friday32 who said right at the start:

"What an unreasonable thing for him to say to you.maybe he has issues at work that is making behave a bit unreasonably ?"

That is exactly what I think is happening and starsandstipes herself admits:

"He is busy at work at the moment but to be honest he has been like this for a while."

Has anyone actually stopped to consider what it feel like for man who is the sole earner in a high pressure job with the kind of global economic downturn we are facing?

The DH is possibly under immense pressure and his behaviour to me speaks of someone living under enormous stress. Rightly or wrongly his logic is that if he is working that hard then surely his wife can remember to get the milk and bread when she puts in the online order and uses his credit card to pay it with. He also logically thinks that making a dental appointment surely cannot be that hard to do. He has stuff he has to do every day that is boring and stressful and he cannot just ring up his wife and dump it on her. He also logically thinks she can surely have a meeting at school on her own because he has meetings all day he has to handle and he does not ring up his wife and ask her to go along.

I am not saying this logic is right and am not saying the OP has to put up with the kind of behaviour she describes but I hope everyone can see the 'male' logic working behind the scenes here as wrong as that logic may be. It seems to me that the OP needs to get her husband to open up to her about the stress he feels rather than just bringing it home and bottling it up to the point he explodes over how she cooks pork chops and is making her life miserable.

For many men, and I do not include myself, the expression of their love for their wife an family is being a good provider. Yes it is a 1950s view of the world and lets face a SAHM lives in a 1950s world as well. Its the 'deal' they make in their marriage. The problem is we do not live in the 1950s - we live in a time where there are not white collar jobs for life and the threat of bonus being slashed, basic pay being slashed or even unemployment hangs over everyone. The truth is that nothing and no one is safe.

In addition, those employees left behind are expected to do the job of 2 people and if they complain they are face the sack. Yes going out for a drink after work is essential because schmoozing with the boss and the big clients reduces your chances of being the next for the chop. Listen to what the OP's DH says, it is his job. Its what keeps him in the job. It is horrible and its degrading but this is the reality of the working life of many professional men right now. I see friends in this position, effectivley grovelling to some head honcho somewhere because of the gut gripping fear that they may lose their job and not be able to pay the mortgage next month. I see the amounts of alcohol they drink to try and relieve the stress. This appears to be happening in the case of the OP's DH as well.

That kind of pressure can turn a normally mild mannered considerate man into a controlling and desperately unhappy one.

If I were the OP I would work hard on finding out what is going on in her DH's life. I suspect she understands very little about what he actually does or the stress in it. I know men who have actually lost their job and could not even tell their wives.

Yes the OP has a right to be respected and not be shouted at but listen to what is being said during those shouting matches, listen to the stress and the fear and there are some messages there about what is causing it. Giving her DH the 'silent treatment' is just telling him to bottle it up even more. There is no one else to talk to than his wife and sometimes its going to come out in a rush with emotion and shouting and irrational logic.

Look at this passage from starsnstripes, it speaks absolute volumes about where her DH is in his mind - he wants to talk but feel she is not listening:

__
He was telling me something last night and I was listening but because I did'nt respond much he said

"why do I bother,you are away with the fucking fairies"
_

I can say with certainty, her DH is not 'enjoying' how he feels. He feels horrible and is desperate to talk but his wife is sleeping in a different bedroom. Why and for how long?

In my view, it is most likely the job that her DH is doing that is the problem - not him. Employers can be extremely abusive to their employees and more especially when they sense an employee is in a vulnerable position.

I have done a job like that and thank goodness I had the sense to walk away. If it comes to it I suggest the OP tells her husband that he can walk away from the job and she will support and love him BUT he also has to stop drinking and change the way he is with her. The way not to resolve this situation is to resort to sort of catty comments others have suggested, isolating him, resorting to petty behaviour and refusing to talk or listen.

[Note to others: yes I have read the entire thread twice - and I do have a right to take a different view and I have just spent an hour doing it and yes I have worked in a job like the DH here and I have also been a SAHD].

TimeForMe · 22/03/2009 12:33

A very good post Abetadad BUT, it does not alter the fact that the OP's DH is indeed being verbally abusive towards her, seemingly unnecessarily so.

I do feel a bit that you see it as the OP's responsibility to get her H open up about the stress he is under at work, in order to prevent him from taking his anger out on her. Starsnstripes is not responsible for her H's behaviour or actions. She does not force him to be abusive towards her, stress at work or not.

And a marriage is a partnership, it involves teamwork, I don't see there is any harm in asking your H to pick up some milk, just as my DP would see no harm in asking me to type up his reports, tax his car ect. It's give and take.

I see where you are coming from but I'm afraid I don't see it as an excuse for verbally attacking your DW mothering skills and the likes. If he is having a hrad time at work it is up to him to recognise this, recognise that he is out of order and open up to him wife of his own accord. He doesn't seem to think he is out of order, that's the main problem.

dittany · 22/03/2009 12:49

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TimeForMe · 22/03/2009 12:51

I'm also a bit at this "when she puts in the online order and uses his credit card to pay it with." I presume he will be eating it so why shouldn't his credit card be used to pay for it?

jeminthecity · 22/03/2009 12:55

Thing is, its not about youse lot taking sides and disagreeing with each other, its about the OP exploring the difficulties she is facing in her relationship. The first part of the thread seems to contain useful input, but it seems to have just degenerated into posters disagreeing with each other?

TimeForMe · 22/03/2009 13:12

I prefer to think I am defending the OP

jeminthecity · 22/03/2009 13:24

I know, I wasn't having a go at you in particular TimeForMe, just a general observation, that caME DIRECTLY AFTER YOUR LAST COMMENT, SORRY [SMILE] ooPPS CAPS

TimeForMe · 22/03/2009 13:26

no worries

ABetaDad · 22/03/2009 15:14

dittany - I did not seek to justify that and would not do so but I am sure you also know that words, stoney silences and refusing to sleep in the same bed could hurt just as much.

This is not a one sided issue and I hope the OP can start a dialogue. It is really in her hands.

dittany · 22/03/2009 15:19

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ABetaDad · 22/03/2009 15:23

Physical violence is not to be tolerated - which is a rule I absolutely instill in my sons.

We do not know cause and effect here.

dittany · 22/03/2009 15:26

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SerendipitousHarlot · 22/03/2009 15:38

I'm the breadwinner in my family. I work 50 hours a week, in a stressful job, and help with the house when I get home, as well as the children.

Does that give me the right to speak to my dh like that? Because not only would I not dream of it, I also wouldn't expect him to put up with it.

I don't care if it's stress. That's not an excuse.

ABetaDad · 22/03/2009 17:16

SerendipitousHarlot - 50 hours is a week is a normal job for most people in the current climate.

SerendipitousHarlot · 22/03/2009 19:15

I'm sure you're being deliberately obtuse ABetaDad. Not really sure why, tbh. I'll step away though, because this thread isn't about why you think this behaviour is acceptable.

starsnstripes · 22/03/2009 20:22

Am overwhealmed by the amount of responses ,thank you all.

Don't really know where to start in answering everybodys posts.

I will just say that today has confirmed even more that I can't continue living like this.

He is putting me down in front of the children more and more and today my DS came a gave me a hug and a knowing look after one of his comments.
It broke my heart.

I had a bad migraine today so had to lie down this afternoon.
When i came down later he was complaining because no meal had been cooked and he said there was nothing in the cupboards.
He has a car outside and a supermarket 5 mins away.
The children made me some lovely cards at school for mothers day ,he did'nt get anything for me from them.
He rang his mum this afternon and must have known with me having lost my mum today would be difficult for me.

We were bathing the children and he kept going on how he had looked after the children all afternoon.
I asked him when he wanted his medal.(I know I should'nt have)
So he replied "when do you want your wake up call"

I could'nt help thin king to myself don't worry you will be getting your wake up call soon.

As for him being stressed at work.
I know he is and appreciate he earns all the money.
But my dad used to do 12 hours hard manual shiftwork and was never like this to my mum.
Also the meeting we had to go to for my DS at the school is one of many appointments,meetings I attend for my sons condition.
It is very stressful and support sometimes.

OP posts:
funkybuddah · 22/03/2009 20:53

He is being unreasonable, what is wrong with you haveing time off?

My dp works 12 hour nightshifts, surrvives on 4 hour sleep 2 days a week to watch the kids while i work, we each only have sundays off and i have done nothing today and he wouldnt even suggest that i not have a rest, he will get one on fathers day.

He is being a @rse and you dont deserve it!

Janos · 22/03/2009 20:56

No starsnstripes you are right, stress isn't an excuse.

And it is very difficult with no support.

Janos · 22/03/2009 20:59

Also starsnstripes there's another thread here
which you might find helpful (blowing my own trumpet a wee bit there)

Emotional Abuse

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 22/03/2009 23:41

Stars - you have had some great advice here. I hope you can be strong and take the right steps for you and your DS.

ABD - you are almost always a voice of reason on here, but your responses have really shocked me. You've made all kinds of assumptions about the career and situation of the OP's DH and cooked him up a great excuse for behaving like a twat.
If you read the OP's posts this has been going on for a long long time, she said that he used to apologise but stopped doing that 3 years ago, long before there was a downturn to worry about and a need to suck up to the boss by going to the pub every day .

themoon66 · 23/03/2009 00:23

ABD - long hours and stressful working conditions are no excuse for abusing your wife.

My DH has worked 24/7 for months now, under mega-stress and has never once raised his voice to me or treated me like Stars DH has her.

And, trivial as it sounds, I often call him or text and say 'please bring milk home with you'. This results in him bringing milk home, suprise suprise.

slug · 23/03/2009 10:27

Sorry ABetaDad, I don't think your explanation for OP's DH's behaviour holds water. Lake many on mumsnet, I was the sole financial support for my family for many years. I also managed to complete and MSc while working full time, in a high stress job, with the threat of redundancy hovering and OFSTED inspections as well. Yet if DH texted me to aske me to pick up bread and milk on the way home, it wouldn't occur to me to complain because we are a partnership. I know, as do most people, that raising children is not a routine job. That some days things just don't go to plan. And I also know that bringing in the money does not give me the right to treat my Dh as an employee.

kentmumtj · 23/03/2009 11:45

emotional abuse is just another form of domestic violence
DV is unhealthy for all the family and will continue to cause damage unless addressed.

There are many agencies out there who can support both of you. and yes i do mean both of you as clearly both of you need some sort of help/advice/guidance. eithr together or seperatly.

Think of the children as well .

very unhealthy and is only causing unhappiness

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