To think that 'Alfie' the 13 year old 'father' is not actually the real Dad

[lazymumofteenagesons]

He is supposed to have fathered this child about 9+months ago. He doesn't look like he has reached puberty and it has been reported that his voice hasn't yet broken.
AIBU to feel that biologically he just couldn't have done this?
Is this just a money making scheme?

He only looks about 9!

MMJ totally agree. The first thing through my head when reading about this sorry situation was, why isn't the baby in care at least?

How low is the girl's self esteem to have to have found affection through having sex with an endless stream of boys?

How awful that this is now being dragged through the press?

What do those boys claiming paternity have to gain? I'm not suggesting they shouldn't own up to paternity, but are the rumours of substantial amounts of money floating around their estate? Is that the motivation?

So many people who cannot have children, and these depraved families just keep multiplying without any intervention from the state. Rant over......that poor baby.

Also agree with Cory here. Chantelle (?) and Alfie, are missing out on a whole world of opportunities.

What about first love? First much wanted baby with the partner you love?
Setting up home?
Working at a satisfying job, enjoying everything you have achieved through working hard?

father at 13, might be a grandad at .....26 then!

whole story is sad and shocking

poor poor baby

poor poor Chantelle and (whoever young father is, if not abuse involved)

it is THEIR parents who are at fault here, big time!

i think the media frenzy and the mad scramble for money by alfie's parents etc selling their stories is the worst aspect of this whole business

• Cory, does aimless, indefinite hanging out with mates really seem better than sharing life with a child? Giving youself a role and purpose in life?

"What about first love? First much wanted baby with the partner you love?
Setting up home?"

• Does a baby really make these impossible? And who are we to decide whether Chantelle loves Alfie? Having ababy may be the only way it is possible for Chantelle to set up a home of her own: it is how social housing is allocated.

"Working at a satisfying job, enjoying everything you have achieved through working hard?"

• only a fortunate few of us have that opportunity.

Upwind, call me hard but why the hell should the state have to provide?? I work hard, my dh works hard, we started off in a tiny flat with bugger all and have worked to get the lovely life we have now. Why should my taxes go to provide a house etc for people who have no intention of doing anything to help themselves?
The whole benefits system needs to be drastically overhauled, to ensure people who genuinely need help get it and people who see it as an easy way out don't.

Its awful when I saw the picture of him I thought he was about 8.

As for the whose the daddy I hope he is not the father and maybe he can get on with his childhood.

The parents of both children should feel ashamed especially the mothers parents how she can give her daughter to have consenual sex is beyond me and not even tell her how to protect herself not just from getting pregnant but STDs as well.

to the OP, boys get erections from a very young age, so that's enough to fertilise a woman/young girl. it is possible for a 13 year old to father a child. it doesn't seem right somehow though. a child fathering a child...it's the poor baby i really feel sorry for in all of this.

I think Upwind is trying to make the point that for "people like that" for want of a better phrase (and we really could be describing an Amazon basin tribe for all they have to do with how most people in this country live) tertiary education, a mortgage, a career and all the things we consider normal are as out of reach as the lifestyle of Roman Abronavich is to us.

This is their route to getting a home, security (if only!) and money. These two children will now get a council flat, benefits, and more money than with their limited education and outlook they could probably ever have earned.

It is pitiful but from their point of view what they have done and are doing makes perfect sense.

And that is why, georgie, the whole system needs overhauling.

ladymariner - I really think the accomodation side of things should be addressed, not least because the points system means that e.g. vulnerable single people never reach the top of the list.

Good quality sheltered housing could be provided for teenage parents while they are on the waiting list, if staying with extended family is not an option.

Thanks georgimama - you explained it better than I could

i think some people are harsh to make judgement on the parents of these kids. lets face it, we all make mistakes. we can only do our best to guide our children to make the right choices in life, but sadly that doesn't always work (if they are strong willed). if the girl wanted to have sex, she'll do it without contraception with or without mum and dad's consent. same applies to the 13 year old boy.
i do also agree with others here that there's going to be an incredible amount of money made out of this story, but who is really going to benefit out of this??
even if alfie turns out not to be the biological father, it's still a sad tale. the damage is done now, no point pointing the finger.

titchy - I'm only just 5ft - I stopped growing at about 13 - but I towered over one of my school friends (male) at that age - by the time we left school he towered over me - so it is possibly that he's just a shorty.

Oh I totally agree ladymariner, I think the whole thing is dispicable. I was sleeping with my boyfriend at 15 but I was terrified of getting pregnant and took extensive precautions (condom and pill) to make sure I didn't.

I was just trying to say that I would find it hard to argue in terms that they would understand with a 15 year old "like that" who wants to have a baby so she can get a council flat.

The idea that there is self-worth and respect in working for a living and earning money to support your family is a pretty alien concept to her I would imagine.

There is no way that little Alfie is the real father IMO. Not physically possible AFAIK

It definitely is physically possible for a 13 year old boy to father a child tigermoth.

I can't see the council giving them a flat at their age - more likely Chantelle will have to live with her parents and Alfie with his until they are old enough to apply for housing - even then there is no guarantee they'll get this if the accommodation they are already in is deemed roomy enough for them (ie the parents home).

Superglue....'why isn't the baby in care?' Isn't that terribly harsh? The parents haven't even had a chance to prove themselves as parents yet.

AccidentalMum, that's my point entirely. people here are so quick to make judgements over these kids. What if it happened to any of our own kids (NOT impossible, no matter how well you raise them), then people wouldn't be so quick to cast stones...

tigermoth, it's possible for a 13 year old boy to father a kid. if he can get erections, then there's nothing to stop him.