to not be insistant that the sexes are equal?

[elmoandella]

why do we have to be equal in all aspect of life??

we are not the same.

women are better at some of life's tasks. men are better at others.

obviously there are exceptions to this.(women with high levels of testerone for eg. tend to have a more "male" attitude and way of doing things)

i was raised by a liberal mother who did everything for herself. raised 5 kids while running a business. with no childcare and as a single parent for the most of that time we were growing up.

i was encouraged to do follow lead and be successful.

however, it seemed a very unhappy life.

i have to ponder the idea that perhaps she would have had a much more satisfactory life if she hadn't been so determined to be equal and get her own way.

is it really so terrible to just accept women may sometimes, in certain fields of work, get paid less.

I also dont see why so many women strive to equal there partner in pay.

what is wrong with your other half being the greater earner. it is half the battle then when you go for maternity leave. you will be able to relax a little and enjoy it. than worrying that the main salary is cut drastically as the female is the higher earner.

i know a few on here will want to flame me. but i would actually like to see a reasonable debate on why so many women are so determined to do everything.

tell me why you want equality so badly.

convert me!!

Women should be allowed to be different. Being different doesn't mean being worth less.

Well in my experience people are different to each other.

Why does it have to be a male/female divide?

Being different, when it comes to male/female generalisations, does mean 'worth less'. Paid less, valued less, doing more housework and childcare and cleaning and cooking...yep, I'd say that was less. Personally. If allotted solely on the basis of penis-non-possession. Yep, definitely yes.

One thing i never get is why alot of women want to be seen as equal in terms of employment yet most only want to pick and choose the "good bits?" There are so many job roles that men do that most women wouldn't even consider doing, not because they are forced out of those roles but because they wouldn't even consider them as a career choice.

Imo you either want to be considered equal in terms of employment or you don't. You can't just pick and choose the best bits.

How many women are there that can say they have never played the femenine card when it comes to things they don't really want to do or even learn how to do?

Eh? What 'feminine' card?

Yep, I reckon rather more men do the 'I can't do housework/I don't notice the state of the house/I'm pathetic around my children/I simply cannot cook' act than the other way round.

What's the 'masculine card'?

Ah well >>shruggs shoulders

And if you mean 'why do women who want traditionally male jobs only want the well-paid interesting ones' well, that's because, er, they're well-paid and interesting.

Should I give up my well paid and rewarding career in order to become a builder just to prove my feelings on this? "feminine card" - surely you dont do this? Dh would laugh at me if I said I cant do the dog poo area or put up a shelf because I'm a woman.

Ah but then that's not really being fair is it? If females only want the well paid, interesting jobs then that's hardly being equal is it? Imo, you have to take the rough with the smooth and that means women doing the risk taking/dirty/physical/heavy jobs too. You can't just let men do all the not so glamerous (sp?) jobs then expect to be seen as equal?

THis thread is really starting to baffle me now.

Eh? You mean we're Taking Those Poor Chaps' Jobs?

Most people want decently paid, interesting work. Some women do want, in fact, jobs as builders and plumbers and firefighters; others - which I find personally far more baffling - want to be soldiers. I have no problem with women doing that, as I have no problem with men being infant teachers and midwives and childminders.

Yes, lots of educated women want the well-paid high-powered jobs that don't involve physical labour. I'm one of them.

Surely people should have equal access to any job, provided they have the qualifications/skills/experience etc to do it?

I wouldn't do a job that is boring/dirty/unpleasant etc rather than one which is interesting/clean/nice. Why would anyone?

Of course, the key here is everyone getting educated/qualified/skilled to a level that enables them to do what they really want to do.

MsSparkle, are you saying men DO want uniteresting, low paid jobs? I think we are all equal in NOT wanting that aren't we? I don't think many people grow up with a burning desire to be a garbologist, male or female.

I absolutly agree and that is terrible when things like that happen. That is an area where women need to push their way forward but unfortunalty, there are not enough women who want to do those roles which is why men get away with knocking down the minority of women who do.

The attitude has been proven on this thread, most women only want the well paid, interesting jobs which is why the woman who do want the nitty gritty jobs are pretty much laughed away.

I was replying to dittany then.

Real world here dittany.

Yeap, there is certainly still discrimination around, though thankfully less than in past years. And it works both ways. For every man who creates the 'glass ceiling' stopping a woman getting to the top, there's a woman whinging about pregnancy/childcare etc and expecting preferential treatment to others in the workplace.

Most people want an interesting job, ideally. And a decently paid one.

Violet, special allowances for pregnancy and childcare are ways to stop women being unfairly treated beacuse of thier natural role in the continuation of the human race which is a cost that should obviously be born by a society as a whole.