to think that teachers are allowed to actually have a life

[stillenacht]

Another post is getting on my nerves a bit - i hate the fact that because of our jobs (vocation whatever...) we have to be society's keepers and society's bitch. It truly pisses me off.

I am not talking about the smoking incident specifically. This is a different thread, I thought.

UD, have you met my MIL?

MartianBishop, I didn't notice it, but, and this isn't meant to be as bitchy as it sounds, I've long since been disabused of the notion that teachers have better spelling and punctuation than the average parent (or mumsnetter). I don't think they do.

Anyway good night, it's about time for my crack cocaine.

oxo: I'm worried! Should I have?...

Better go for something more sedative in nature, I think.

imagine you are on a dessert island, liffey

see what I did there? dessert?

poinsettydog, I can argue a point using relevant argument and not resort to insults.

There was a thread on MN recently saying don't you just hate posters who say 'oh have you thought about seeing a psychiatrist about that, or you need help with your anger' when the 'that' is merely that you don't agree with them.

It was generally agreed that was very bad etiquette!

The baker is the baker who baked the cake that unquiet dog brought into the equations. Another red herring.

Dad not Dog I mean.

Teachers at tough secondary schools: I salute you.

Far from being disgusted at the sight of one of you fagging away outside the school gate I think 'bloody hell - bet you need that fag you poor bugger'.

I worked as a secondary supply teacher for one term.... I cried every day before I went in and would be sick to my stomach with fear. Those of you who haven't done it - you honestly can't imagine the casual, brutal culture of disrespect that some of our teachers are exposed to.

I lasted a term in secondary and then hot footed it back to FE, where the classes were half the size and you could chuck people out your lessons for being rude and not have to worry about where they were going once you closed the door on their arses.

So no - you shouldn't have to be perfect. I think you're doing brilliantly if you've managed to do your job without succumbing to alcoholism and stomach ulcers.

I think you can be quite insulting actually. I'm not complaining or anything, but you can be.

ah ok. I missed the baker bit

I think you can be insulting pointsettydog, telling me that I am angry and that I have a bad aura!!!!! I argue the point using arguments I consider to be valid and relative. You insult my aura and yet I come out of this 'the rude one'.

.. stillenacht still harping on what a wonderful teacher she is. Haven't you got any homework to mark or something?

I expect she's done it. The best teachers are the most efficient.

yes, I have a sense of humour which can come across as insulting if I don't reign in my remarks a bit. But I don;'t deny that. You deny you are insulting.

Currently I find you repetative and frustrating Liffey - this thread is not about the smoking issue, this is about whether or not teachers SHOULD be perfect (or seen as). It's a totally different point.

If you want to go on about the bloody smoking, no I wouldn't be happy if the teacher my kids looked up to was having a fag outside, but I'd explain to them why and that would be it. Because I recognise that children realising that other people have flaws is just as important as them having good role models.

Shouldn't that be 'rein in' your rude remarks?????

Yawn. Did all the maniacs come out of the cupboard tonight or what?

I don't smoke but as a teacher in a so-called "tough inner-city school" I feel like lighting up after reading some of the absolute twaddle on here. Thank goodness for all of the sane teacherspeople on here, be they perfect or not.

It's the end of term on Friday folks too - or should we be getting ready to hang ourselves upside down in the stock cupboard instead?

lol - yes

Yay. Amen!

I've said on MN before that straight from teacher training college i got a job in a school that you would have thought was ideal, nice, small, village location. It was bloody hard work due to lack of discipline & leadership and had drug problems and teen pgs, teen crime etc just like any other. The only major issue we did not have was racial issues because of the area being almost 100% white.

I was daft not thinking it odd that the interviews were held on a day when Y11 had left/finished all exams, Y10 were on work experience, y7,8,9 were on "activities week". Thats right, not a kid in the place. looked serene. was a hell hole. As a 5 ft 3 woman, you would be intimidated walkng past a gang of unruly teenagers probably, and here was i charged with trying to teach them science using bunsen burners and chemicals!it did not help that at the same time as me they appointed a humanities teacher who lasted 3 dys, and then had a string of supply teachers lasting a day, a week....the new sport was which class can get rid of the most teachers!

when people now ask me will I go back to teaching once youngest Dc is at school, I shudder, laugh and say NOT IN A MILLION YEARS would I go back to a secondary school.

As many have said, it takes a special type of person to teach, but as anywhere its the one or two bad apples that get the rest a bad name.

FFS. I hope you find perfect teachers for your children Liffey, most children just get human ones.

poinsettydog you annoy be on LOADS of threads!

Only 2 days to go until the break!! Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry poinsettydog i'll still be perfecting my medium term planning, putting up display etc etc all whilst munching my mince pies and soft drinks.......and maybe polishing my halo.........