to think that teachers are allowed to actually have a life

[stillenacht]

Another post is getting on my nerves a bit - i hate the fact that because of our jobs (vocation whatever...) we have to be society's keepers and society's bitch. It truly pisses me off.

Actually some aspects of georgiemama's syntax and punctuation are pretty iffy, if we are throwing stones....

Actually, I happen to have sent my DC's to a school with scarily perfect teachers.

We do however, suspect one of the teachers partakes in an alcoholic drink on a Friday night.....

Noone is saying teachers have to be perfect, just that they should not smoke outside the school gates. Honestly, half my family and friends are teachers and jeez do they MOAN.

Oh, we do, we do

I am sorry but EVERYONE knows that teachers live in the store cupboards at school.

Anyway I studied alongside students who where training to be teachers, guess what, I home-ed.

But this isn't just about smoking - its everything as an early poster said. I didn't actually (I don't think - but i am a little pissed now haha!) mention smoking in OP...i think

Also sorry liffey if you weren't inspired - thats the truth of the matter.

Oh stop whining

We all hate the shit that our jobs come with sometimes, teachers are no differnt to the rest of us

vinegar, chastising an under 16 smoker isn;t quite the same as chastising an adult smoker.

Georgiemama,I'm going to stick my oar in here,even though I am not a teacher.

I'm working on the premise that the OP wasn't solely talking about the smoking issue but the whole perception of teachers in general.

Yes you get "Bad apples" in every profession/job/vocation call it what you will,but the majority of teachers I have known are hard working and dedicated,whatever sector they teach in.

The role is very varied and as well as teaching commitments they have hours of work to do outside school and within their "Cushy holidays"

Have you ever tried to control a bunch of teenagers who have no real wish to learn?

Have you ever tried planning a lesson?

Have you ever had to read 20,000 curriculum documents?

Have you ever stayed behind for hours in your job helping with extra curricular activities?

Participated in school trips?

Gone to endless meetings?

Participated in pastoral care?

Done additional marking?

Dealt with the whole minutiae of social problems?

and so on and so on.......

Walk a mile in someone else's shoes and then comment.

A whole shedload of stuff goes on in making our dcs have a valuable education.

I fail to mention being sworn too,threats of physical violence (A pupil once PULLED A GUN!!!! out in a lesson of one of my parent's teaching staff,thankfully unloaded and a replica,but still!!!)

"You think I sounds like a dick" ...

You're not from Bristol are you, Georgimama?

I love my job

I am not whining (well maybe a bit..but then who doesn't whine on mn!)...i just think every which way you turn someone is having a go at us.

Anyway i gotta go - hubby is wanting some 'quality' time (tee hee!)

weeell, some teachers do moan too much, yes

True, but so do quite a few parents, so I guess that it all evens out in the end.

MartinB, It's not a witch hunt. It's one quite small point which the teachersmokers won't argue. They argue all sorts of other red herrings. Policing teachers' home lives, nanny states! Gestapo! Zealots. All RED HERRINGS RED HERRINGS

The point the OP on the other thread was that teachers shouldn't hang around school gates smoking. That was it. That one small point.

And because basically, every sane, reasonable person (even smokerteachers) knows deep down that actually, this is true, they drag in loads of ludicrous red herrrings and argue those.

Stillenacht, how and why should I be inspired by you? One minute you don't want to be society's keeper and the next you're disappointed I'm not inspired by your post that's quite funny!

Far from putting you up on a plinth as society's keeper (which you object to) I think it would be more admirable if you were humble enough to contemplate reason and not argue black was white.

If you think people have a go at you, try being a banker

true, mb, true.

liffey, I feel your anger. I wish I could help.

You should be a cleaner. Everyone loves a cleaner!

Liffey - that was on another thread. Which I still don't get why we're talking about. This is this thread.

My anger? You being sarcastic! I'm the one who contained their argument to the point originally made in the OP and didn't accuse anybody of being a zealot in the gestapo! Didn't tell anybody to get a life!

Liffey, but are you not even mildly amused that on this thread she had shit thrown at her for the improper and wanton use of the letter i?

Not even the smallest smile? Didn't detect a trace of irony there?

She used an 'i' instead of an 'I'.

How very dare she!

With a lot of jobs, people don't automatically think they have a "right" to comment because they haven't got any experience of what they entail. People seem to think teachers are public property, though. Because everyone's child goes to school and because everyone's been to school.

People think they know what teachers do, and should/should not do, because they have been to school themselves.

Which, as I have said before, is like saying you know how to bake because you've bought a cake.

I love my cleaner.

If I were gay, I'd marry her.

Bit different though UD, as my dc doesn't idealise the baker. The baker isn't paid to teach my child. The baker is a total stranger to my child. So if the baker wants to smoke outside the bakers shop, he can quietly get on with it.

maybe it's your use of ! and caps. You often sound angry. I see an angry aura

where's this baker come from?