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To not care that a sex offender got stabbed to death up the road from me.

198 replies

PingpingsatonSantasface · 12/12/2008 15:50

Last night a 52 year old sex offender got stabbed to death A post-mortem examination said the cause of death was multiple wounds including mutilation of the groin. He was a known sex offender in the Wandsworth area and had attacked a girl under the age of 16.

Everyone in my office is shocked that this could happen in our area literally down the road from me, but to be honest I am glad they did it and expressed this. One less perve off the streets.

What do you think?

OP posts:
cluelessnchaos · 12/12/2008 19:25

So how would everyone feel if the attack was by his victims father, if he had raped a 3 year old child and the family lost control, personally I am pissed of that the paedophiles who abused my brother and I are dead because now I am old enought to take them to court they are dead and gone.

nkf · 12/12/2008 19:32

This "you'd feel differently if it happened to you" line isn't much of an argument. If it happened to me, I'd be hysterical, furious, deranged with grief and anger. The last sort of person who should be allowed near a knife.

thepinkprincess · 12/12/2008 20:09

YANBU- not as though he was a privilege to the community and done lots of positive things, no ones gonna miss him- GOOD RIDDANCE !!!!

ChristmasFairySantAsSLut · 12/12/2008 20:11

YABU OP!

As for the castration thing, that someone mentioned earlier....hm...I have heard that that doesn't really help...I might be wrong of course....but as far as I know it doesn't take the urges away....

Also someone said that they would not hesitate if their child was abused, and they would take the law into their own hand....hm...if someone would kill all my children, I maybe pushed to do something like that, who knows, but otehrwise, I would cause only more harm to my children, surely....because they wouldn't have the support hey needed at the time they needed it....

ChristmasFairySantAsSLut · 12/12/2008 20:14

Also, I think that , whilst paedophilia is vile, most turely can't help themselves....surely sexual orientation is mostly a "blueprint" we are born with....which makes it so difficult....because the fact remains it is still unacceptable due to the nature of the beast, so to say, to have sex with children....and rightly so....

VillageAunty · 12/12/2008 20:18

so only people who have done positive things for the community deserve to live...?
Or at least deserve NOT to be brutally murdered...??

gah!

There are some very unreasonable - and frankly alarming - people on this thread.

Yes paedophilia is abhorrent.
But, jeez, so is murder.

noiamnot · 12/12/2008 20:20

if it turns out to be the mum of one of his victims or one of his victims that did it I would not convict if I were on the jury.

jingleMAMADIVAsbells · 12/12/2008 20:36

I am not glad I am not upset it's just a case of well I didn't know him and he did bad things so I couldn't care less.

If he was a lovely man I would have had sympathy for how he died but he was not so what happened,happened end of...

knockedgymnast · 12/12/2008 20:36

What angers me is that someone who's raped a child can then come off the sex offenders list. So why can't someone who murdered stop being a murderer. Paedophiles get let off too lightly, perhaps if this country realised the implications of such a vile act on the victim, family etc, then vigilanties (sp) wouldn't exist. It's the fact that a lot of paedophiles after they have been released from prison are given a 'free slate'. Free slate to murder some other poor victim and ruin another family's life.

The attack on this man was a REACTION to his crimes, not pre-meditated. I do not condone any sort of violence and in fact a few years ago an innocent man was killed because there were rumours that he was a paedophile. He wasn't.

Like someone said, you cannot rehabilitate a paedophile. They know the errors of their ways but are let by a compulsion. It's all really sad and in the end, there are no winners

DasherDancerPrancerFMVixen · 12/12/2008 20:39

not pre-meditated?

So, someone was walking along with a knife and was overcome with the urge to stab someone repeatedly in the face head and genitals?

goldFAQinsenceandmyrrh · 12/12/2008 20:41

"The attack on this man was a REACTION to his crimes"

No it wasn't - not from what I've heard - it was reaction to a rumour - he hadn't been charged/arrested etc for anything.

And lets not forget that while his crime (from what I've read he had one conviction) was hideous, and the victim and her family have sufferd, this man almost certainly had a family too. It could be that they were no longer close to him because of his previous conviction, but that doesn't mean they're not going to be shocked about the way he was brutaly murdered.

And I'm intrigued - how do we know that in the 7/8yrs since his conviction that he hasn't done anything positive for the community?? Are we assuming that because someone commites a crime they are no longer able to do anything positive for the rest of their lives

southeastastra · 12/12/2008 20:42

why do these threads always appear in aibu?

there is a 'news' topic

WinkyWinkola · 12/12/2008 20:44

"If he was a lovely man I would have had sympathy for how he died but he was not so what happened,happened end of..."

How very easy. How very convenient. How very very short sighted, dim witted and ignorant.

I'm really about the morons on this thread.

goldFAQinsenceandmyrrh · 12/12/2008 20:46

and from what I've read (in more than one news report) most of them seem to agree that it was for unlawful sex with a 15yr old (I know the Times says raping a 13yr old). Now from my understanding "unlawful sex" is the same as statutoy rape - ie illegal because she was underage, not forcing her to have sex.

jingleMAMADIVAsbells · 12/12/2008 20:51

Winky I stated that it happened so I do not care less I did not know him and he was obviously not a nice person don't see what's wrong with that.

I know the destruction these people cause all to well so call me dim witted or whatever I have every right to my opinion and yes you may say he had the right to live yes of course he did but nothing to do with me jeez you'd think I killed him.

Reallytired · 12/12/2008 20:53

Do you not care that there is a murderer on the loose. You might not care for this individual personally, but do you disagree with the killers being punished if convicted?

Lulumama · 12/12/2008 20:54

i am still staggered that the OP is setting up an anti knife violence group and thinks that a pre meditated stabbing is ok.. how very f*cked up. and so indicative of how short sighted, and lacking in perception people can be

agree with everyone who has posted about the fact a civilised society with a justice system cannot ever condone this sort of mindless vigilantism

who has been helped by this death?

would rather a known sex offender, who was registered, being wathced etc and known to the authorities lived in my street than a mindless vigilante who is happy to stab someone repeatedly for revenge

pickupthismess · 12/12/2008 20:55

This man (Andrew Cunningham) had 'unlawful sex with a 15 year old when he was about 44. I agree that's not good but it's not the same as being a dangerous paedophile attacking vulnerable children. From what I've read it was a consenting relationship. Now he should have known a lot better but I really don't think he deserved to die for this 'crime'.

jingleMAMADIVAsbells · 12/12/2008 20:57

Ooh I choose not to answer that no I will actually (am slightly drunk so excuse me will alopogise in the morning .

I DO agree that murder is wrong of course it is BUT if I were on a jury and trying a parent of the victims I would have to sympathise with them although if it was random guy acting on rumour he may have heard in work or summit then I would think he/she was totally in the wrong.

I know that doesn't make much sense but I dunno, that's my thoughts anyways

goldFAQinsenceandmyrrh · 12/12/2008 20:58

if the reports of "unlawful sex" (as opposed to rape) for his conviction are indeed correct - do those of you with boys (and yes I have all boys) realise that your DS's could in the future potentially be on the sex offenders register if they were to have sex with anyone under 16 (and with the rise in underage sex/pg's it would appear quite likely to happen)??????

noonki · 12/12/2008 21:00

I live around the corner from a man who had the same name as a paedophile who's name had been published by the press.

As a result he was beaten senseless.

The law may be an ass but mob rule is worse.

WinkyWinkola · 12/12/2008 21:00

jingleMAMADIVAsbells, you should care because you do not know who will be under attack next. It really matters.

jingleMAMADIVAsbells · 12/12/2008 21:00

Aah see I haven't read I just saw a creepy looking 'convicted paedophile' on the news, if that is true then even the parents would be in the wrong as most 15YO are old enough to consent but if it was rape and said 15YO had made an issue of saying no then he deserved to be locked up for a very long time but not brutally killed.....

Oh far too many things going on here

Lulumama · 12/12/2008 21:01

so , basically, he was in a consensual sexual relationship with an 15 year old and got stabbed to death for it?

although i would be v v v suspicious of a 44 year old who sought out a relationship with a 15 year old girl

thisisyesterday · 12/12/2008 21:03

noonki! that is awful, the poor bloke.

and the saddest thing is that even though he is innocent there will always be people out there wondering, or who still believe it because they haven't heard the truth