To think that all those generations of women who battled for equality for women have actually achieved nothing!

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All that has changed is that women are now expected to go out and work and well as still being souly responsible for the vast majority of domestic stuff and childcare.

Womens lives aren't better or easier, infact they are now so complicated that half of us are so stressed and knackered we don't even remember who we are anymore.

The role of a mother is less valued by society than it has ever been when we all know that it truely is THE hardest job ever.

"grateful", obviously

Wrong - you said 'women have actually acheived nothing'

This is incorrect, they have actually acheived a hell of a lot, which is what as said.

Dunno. There are times when I think it might actually be easier being me (work part-time, comfortable house with all modern cons, 2 children, dh takes it in turn to do domestic chores) than to be my greatgrandmother (11 children, combining childcare, domestic tasks and trying to run a farmstead of her own until she had to give up and marry an alcoholic 20 years younger than herself in order to save her children from the workhouse).

But heigh-ho, of course I lead a terribly hard life. Impossible to imagine anything harder

Miyazaki, then I phrased it badly. Of course I accept that many things have changed

But surely we should keep battling until things really are 100% equal. Saying things are nearly equal surely isn't good enough!

The previous generations really would have battled for nothing if we all just give up now!

YABU to say women have actually acheived nothing

Talking of the stress of modern women, my granddad had no memory of his mum ever playing with him; she was always either working or nursing a sick child). Doesn't that say something about our relative stress levels?

Who's talking of giving up, flixx?

Vinegartits. I accept that I was unreasonable to say that, I phrased it badly.

I just read some many posts on here every day from women who are still down trodden by their partners or by society and it makes me think that we still have such a long way to go

'But surely we should keep battling until things really are 100% equal'

Who says we are not, i certainly am!

I disagree.

My Gran told me how women wearing trousers in her street in the 50's were gossiped about.

Until men actually start giving birth I don't think things can actually be 100% equal.

the feminist battle is far from won
the problem lies with those who believe it is

You do wonder sometimes don't you.

We shouldn't expect things to be 100% equal.

We should be trying to make things fair, given that everyone is different and that the average man wants different things and works in a different way to the average woman.

And YABVU to say that nothing has been achieved.

Too many of us are judging things by our own personal situations when we should be looking at the bigger picture and Not just in the westen world.

If we sit back and say "I'm alright Jack" without opening our eyes and looking around us, then we are failing those women who brought us so far

Yabu, as you have already admitted it you phrased this badly but few people will see that.

Of course women have achieved loads and in an extremely short space of time.

There is loads more to achieve, we're in a tricky transition period right now when the first couple of generations to have tried to have it all it all have realised that having it all was at best knackering and at worst often at the expense of family life. Now you've got all these women gone the opposite way and wanting to be WAGs. But with luck the next generations will find a middle way and make their men pull out their fingers and share the domestic stuff far more. My mil can't believe how much my dh does at home compared to his dad, even though i still do most. Hopefully my dds will have it down to nearer 50-50.

You phrased you title bably and your OP

'Womens lives aren't better or easier, infact they are now so complicated that half of us are so stressed and knackered we don't even remember who we are anymore.'

This is not just not true, my life, and many other womens in todays society, is much easier because our mothers and grandmothers and their mothers fought for womens rights

I can vote, i have an education, i have a good carrer, i work in a male dominated industry, i got to keep my ds when i was a teenage mother istead of him being taken away from me.... i could go on

but fact is, i think your op is pants and utter drivvle

NotanOtter ""the feminist battle is far from won
the problem lies with those who believe it is""

Thank you!!!! Finally someone who gets what I am trying to say!!!

Disagree about the achieving nothing bit (big surprise there) but do find it seriously worrying that a whole generation seem to confuse getting your tits out for the lads with being 'empowered' somehow.

And power stuctures (pollitical, economic, military) carry on behind the scenes, as male-dominated as ever. Change is happening, but equality - a long way off, I think. It's about more than who does the hoovering.

vinegartits you are being so naive. Just because you have it good doesn't mean everybody does!!!!!

captainKarvol Well said!!