to not allow ds2 to have mmr jab?

[TheLadyEvenstar]

I don't think I am, after ds1 had it i noticed a major difference in his behaviour and don't want to go through it again,

So what if he did get measles Thelady....... it seems a massive risk to not even have the singles?

thelady - but surely a child is born with aspergers, it is not possible to develop it.

I really dont believe that - although I agree there are risks with the mmr, in no way will I ever believe it can cause a child to develop aspergers

It is there from birth and before, often hereditary - my dad has aspergers, I have leanings shall we say!

Sorry, it's moved on since I wrote that - you are happy with your reasoning.

Escortss, I never said

'I noticed a change in my toddlers behaviour'

I said there were noticable changes and there were...but only after the mmr. hence the reason he did not have the booster.
Oh and he never had the pre-school jab either.

My twin sisters caught Measles when they were 6 months old. I can still very vividly remember them lying on matresses in the living room, in the dark with the kettle boiling constanly to keep their poor little lungs moist. I can remember them crying such painful little cry's it makes me sad even now.
One of my sisters was constantly in and out of hospital having operations to try and restore her hearing. Sadly she has very bad hearing to this day due to the scarring left on her ear drums.

I would never willingly put another child through that. Nor would I want any of my children to go through it.

Two boys died round here from measles a couple of years ago.

Sorry it just makes me sad that we keep having these discussions when most people have no personal experience of the horrors of these virus's.

goldilocks - no I wasnt overly if am honest.I talked it over with my doc and he understood that i wasnt saying NO NEVER but just No - until I felt the time was right. I Work with autistic children and 90% are boys so my instinct said wait till they were tougher to cope with it. DS2 also has epilipsy - his first fit was the week his mmr was due at 12 months and i know i would of 100% have blamed it on causing the epilepsy.

With my dds i didnt think twice but then that was 10 years ago when we didnt know about all the research.

Morocco, had to just add to you, I do understand your situation, my dad had an auto-immune condition, and the doctors said this and that wouldn't make a difference, I knew that didn't make sense, and was right. I'm not saying that we should all bow to the better judgement of the doctors, on every occasion, and anything where compromised immune has already been ascertained (and I would include vaccinating too young there, like you SGM) needs to be treated differently.

I'm really sorry for your situation.

Very true ronshar!

I think there needs to be a hugh public campainge now to put parents minds at ease.

ronshar that must have been so awful

THERE IS NO LINK

it is extremely dangerous mumbo jumbo. I hope to god that no one will read some of these messages and ne swayed not to give their DCs the jab.

HAPPYMUMOF5 would you do the same now?

thanks jackaroo
prob shouldn't be posting on this tonight as in a bad mood about whole thing but you brought a little tear to my eye (wipes eye delicately)

Happymum, yes it was I was only 5 but it is still a very real memory.
They were due the second jab the week they were exposed to the virus by someone else.

Still it is a parents decision to do what they think is best for their own child!!

ooops that should have been 'be swayed'

find it hard to type when I'm ranting

Sorry Hib/MenC is a single jab not 2! Thank-goodness, holding a 12 month old for their jabs is hard another!

Please read Thelady...... although I'm sure you have already.

www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Library/News/mmr_research_0208

I think we all have to live with our decisions and i know in my heart for my boys i made the right decision.

However - if they had of caught measles and had the experiences that Ronshar wrote about I would never have forgiven myself
OR

if i had of given it to them at 12 months and they would now be diagnosed with autism/aspergers, again I would be blaming myself.

It really is a rock and a hard place having so much info these days and I really think both sides have very valid points

As others have said there is no evidence for ti being the cause BUT where is the evidence that it isn't?

Ask your HV for the NHS video on immunisation (shown as part of our local Healthy Start course) - it explains a lot about vax and measles, and shows the effects of the recent epidemic in Dublin.

Bear in mind that MMR has been around for 25 years, used in dozens of countries, and has been studied probably more than any vaccine ever, and no link to problems has ever been found, despite many people whose childrem have problems looking for something to blame.

And measles kills at least 1 in 1000 of people infected (in a developed country like the UK), and over 1 in 100 suffers long term complications. A college friend of mine was blind from it. Kids' immune systems encounter thousands of antigens daily, and the MMR is designed so the body responds to the dead viruses at different rates anyway, so there's no reason not to have all 3 in one jab.

Basically, please get your ds2 vaccinated.

Does anyone know why the MMR is at 13 months?

"As others have said there is no evidence for ti being the cause BUT where is the evidence that it isn't? "

Here, well some evidence anyway:

www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Library/News/mmrresearch0208

Not, if and when I decide to get it done it will be my choice. And I don't think it is right for him. My instincts tell me and I trust them

It used to be given at around 18 months. many of the symptoms of autism start to become apparent at this age, I think one of the reasons it is now given earlier is so that false conclusions can not be drawn making links between the two.

thepregnant, so must everybody else who doesn't have their kids have it....be nuts that is.