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Original poster

to not allow ds2 to have mmr jab?

862 replies

TheLadyEvenstar · 28/11/2008 22:40

I don't think I am, after ds1 had it i noticed a major difference in his behaviour and don't want to go through it again,

OP posts:
Pixel · 10/12/2008 20:09

Hi, this is all very interesting as dh is diabetic and has been on statins for about 6 months. Can I just ask what we should ask for if we go to the health food shop and enquire? Will it be called coQ10 or have some other name? Thanks.

CoteDAzur · 10/12/2008 20:21

ahfeckit - No, you don't have to read all of a thread before you post, but if you do, you might learn something. Like, why people snigger when you say "rubella isn't a minor illness for kids to get".

It is a very mild disease for kids. So mild, in fact, that many kids and parents don't even notice it.

Yours truly, for example, is immune to rubella, so obviously has had it at some point, although nobody in the family can remember such a thing. Others have said the same thing on this thread.

The only living beings to whom rubella is dangerous are fetuses whose mothers did not have rubella or were not immunised. So the easy solution, put forth on this thread at least 20 times, is to test girls at puberty and vaccinate who aren't immune at that point.

thumbElf · 10/12/2008 21:06

Pixel, it will be called either coQ10 or coenzyme Q10.

Here is a document on coQ10 from Patient UK. It is a useful list of information. It mentions that statins can deplete coQ10 but that it is not considered necessary to routinely supplement coQ10 - this is because of cost, even though that is not the reason given.

Sorry to hijack thread!

ladylush · 10/12/2008 22:40

Is there a test to check levels of co-enzyme Q10?

thumbElf · 10/12/2008 22:47

there is but I think it says somewhere in the blurb that it is not always useful as they measure serum/plasma coQ10, not tissue levels (and obviously tissues are where it is most needed) so the results are not necessarily accurate or meaningful.

Having said that, some of the research that has been done on coQ10 has linked low levels of coQ10 with various health conditions, so it must mean something somewhere!

I don't know that you can just rock up to your GP and demand to have your coQ10 levels measured though!

ladylush · 10/12/2008 22:53

lol. Yes would imagine it's a specialist test. My GP can't even manage normal blood tests - sends pts. to the local hospital which is about 6 miles away.

hornswoggle · 10/12/2008 23:12

my son had the mmr, his behaviour completely changed afterwards, so I had doubts about his booster jab, he was (eventually) then diagnosed with Asperger's, I went to my GP, she said my child my choice

I live in Ireland and at the time there were no options (that I could find) for single vacs

He will be 9 next week, it still panics me now he's still not fully covered, so I thought I seen some 'Irish names' here

Anyone know where to get single vacs in the west of Ireland?

,,,,,,,,HIJACK OVER>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

TotalChaos · 10/12/2008 23:16

stupid question alert - is underactive thyroid an auto-immune disease?

hornswoggle · 10/12/2008 23:21

sorry bad timing

It took ages for me type post as my DS is having a bad day

I'll start my own thread, when I can

Sorry again

Pixel · 10/12/2008 23:37

Thanks Thumbelf, I'm sure dh will be interested in reading that.

Beachcomber · 11/12/2008 13:02

Don't be sorry hornswoggle, the original thread was about MMR we just got on to a more general discussion about pharma's more unethical practices and ended up on statins.

I'm really sorry to hear that your child has been badly affected by a vaccine. Unfortunately there seem to be quite a few of us about. Funny that isn't it considering how most people seem to be under the impression that serious adverse events are so rare.

I'm afraid I know nothing about single vaccines in Ireland. I hope you get some answers if you have started a thread.

Good luck.

thumbElf · 11/12/2008 13:44

Totalchaos - there are some forms of thyroid dysfunction that have an autoimmune basis, but not all. Not a stupid question at all.
Thryoid underactivity could be a result of many possible things, including lack of iodine in the diet.

ladylush · 11/12/2008 15:09

Totalchaos afaik thyroid disease is an auto-immune condition. It is cited as an auto-immune disease for purposes of family health screening, though now that Thumbelf is saying not all types I need to go and google

pagwatch · 11/12/2008 15:30

hornswaoggle

I think you are misunderstanding the 'booster'.

The booster at 3 years plus does not 'boost' protection.

It is actually a mop up vaccination for the approximately 10% of children who do not gain immunity via the first jab.

So ifthe first jab worked on your son then he is fully protected.

Of course if he is in the 10% then he will not have any immunity.

The easiest thing is to go back to your GP and ask to have your sons immunity against measles tested. If the first jab worked then he does not need anything else done and you don't need to get him re vaccinated.

Hope that makes sense

ladylush · 11/12/2008 15:45

Totalchaos and thumbElf - apparently Hashimotos disease (a type of thyroiditis) is an auto-immune disease due to the anti-thyroid antibodies which attack cells and deplete levels of thyroxine. However, not all individuals with Hashimotos will have these antibodies (or at least they are not detectable). Likewise others who don't have Hashimotos will have the antibodies. So that's as clear as mud Maybe for purposes of vaccinations, better to assume your underactive thyroid is auto-immune in nature?

thumbElf · 11/12/2008 18:25

Thx ladylush - i knew about Hashimoto's but there are other thyroid conditions too and I admit I was being a tad lazy not to look them up!

ladylush · 11/12/2008 22:14

It seems possible to have an auto-immune type of thyroid disease which usual markers would not detect. Therefore I will err on the side of caution and assume mine is auto-immune and therefore ds has 3 auto-immune diseases in the family; which by all accounts is quite a lot. My mum also has an underactive thyroid which preceded or developed after (medics don't know) a pituitary tumour (non-malignant thankfully).

ladylush · 11/12/2008 22:16

You're excused thumbelf. I don't think you could be accused of being lazy

thumbElf · 11/12/2008 22:26

I think we've overwhelmed them with our hijack!

ladylush · 11/12/2008 22:30

Ha, great tactic

dontwanttobejumpedon · 12/12/2008 12:24

can i just ask those of you who don't vaccinate at all, do you ever worry about your decision? Ds is unvaccinated due to health problems, but i feel the need to vaccinate baby dd as she has been very unwell already with flu, and i just think she is exposed to so much more than ds it would be better to get her the 5 in 1. I haven't heard of anyone not tolerating it that well, don't know if anyone else has. I am also thinking of getting ds the 5 in 1 now too, especially as we are travelling to Eastern Europe next year and i think it would be best if he were vaccinated against polio and diptheria. Do those with unvaccinated children travel? Do daycare/nursery? Are you comfortable with your decision?

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 12/12/2008 12:29

I think I know who you are.

Yes I do worry about it sometimes. But then I worry more about the jabs, so feel stuck.

I think I'll get ds2 tetanus and measles this year or next, but not ds3, just can't. I think tetanus will come with diptheria.

DS3 went to quite a bit of day care.

We don't travel (can't with ds1), but we do live in a rural area and we do go out on a lot of walks etc.

Ask Halvorsen!

TotalChaos · 12/12/2008 12:30

don't want to be - the only jab DS is missing is pre-school boosters, so can't really helpfully answer you. I do plan to get him the booster for DTP, just not MMR right now.

Thank you very much Thumbelf and Ladylush for your info re:thyroid. I don't have an underactive thyroid (yet [hmmm]) but my mum and gran both have/had this.

pagwatch · 12/12/2008 12:41

My DD is completely unvaccinated and is 6 now.
her nursery and her school have had no problems whatsoever. i met with head recently as a girl in a different year is having chemo but they are still extremely comfortable with it ( as are girls parents and drs by the way).

Of course I worry sometimes. But like Jimjams I worry more about the vaccinations. DDs excema and history of terrible breathing probelms just make me more certain that her crappy immune system would have collapsed as her brothers did were she vaccinated.

Rock
Hard place.

The hardest bit is the cheap shot/blame loaded/boggoted shite that gets spouted in the news media this time of year - and then dutifully regurgitated by passing numpties.
My concern for my duaghter is private but publicly I have to defend myself all the time

sorry. That started as an answer and turned into a small rantlet

dontwanttobejumpedon · 12/12/2008 13:05

it is not easy in RL to explain ds's vaccination status. Seems to open a can of worms. At preschool they wanted a form listing his vaccinations. I really wonder what they'd say if i said he was unvaccinated [he hasn't started yet and form still unfilled] What about travelling, swimming in sea abroad, etc?