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to not allow ds2 to have mmr jab?

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TheLadyEvenstar · 28/11/2008 22:40

I don't think I am, after ds1 had it i noticed a major difference in his behaviour and don't want to go through it again,

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mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:22

goldilocks if you have a look at my post 21.38 I tried to explain it as best I can there. Its attributed to an immune system overload after several critical events iyswim.

ChristmasFairySantAsSLut · 01/12/2008 22:22

this movie was the one I meant...btw...here

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 01/12/2008 22:23

I wasn't trying to 'ram home' the point of regression. I was just showing that to suggest that parents are simple thickies who just haven't noticed their kid is some sort of weirdo is wrong.

The YouTube video is very similar to video I have of ds1. Came across a photo of him today aged 10 months playing peekaboo behind a curtain.

mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:25

Yes jj which is saying as I have already said that the children had GI syptoms suggesting compromised immunity 3 mths prior to vaccination.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 01/12/2008 22:28

OK you've lost me. The kids had compromised immunity but couldn't possible have regressed following the MMR because in mytether world that doesn't happen.

OK, whatever, I'm off to bed.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 01/12/2008 22:29

btw goldilocks- there's a part 2 to the video on Youtube

mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:31

jj I did not suggest parents were thickos or that there children were. I said generations ago mild Autism would have been missed and children would have been classed as slow learners, not Autistic since the perameters for diagnosis have been widened in the last 15 yrs. This has been in line with the introduction of MMR and thus more cases of Autism and related disorders have appeared to emerge. The evidence just doesn't mean one causes the other. The increase in Autism diagnosis could be purely down to the widening of diagnostic perameters.

mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:33

yes that is possible that the MMR was the 'straw that broke the camels back' so to speak. (and no I am not suggesting Autistic children are camels).

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 01/12/2008 22:38

Erm as repeatedly stated on this thread no-one is suggesting that the increase in autism rate is due to MMR. Wakefield doesn't suggest it so I;m not sure why so much money has been wasted 'proving' that MMR hasn't caused the increase in autism. That comes under the heading of no shit sherlock.

The question is whether there is a small subgroup that has had autism triggered by the MMR.

Fine if you're not in. Sucks if you are. And no - no-one has addressed this. Until that is answered the Wakefield research isn't going to go away. (and continues as it is now being funded again- this time in the States).

mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:38

I have said that compromised immunity is a trigger factor and that if the correct questions were asked at vaccination these children would not be put at risk. Any child who has an auto immune disorder diagnosed before MMR will not be vaccinated. Tests should be done before vaccination to rule out compromised immunity. Further research is needed to prove or disprove the link between autism and MMR.

So far I am happy to go with the findings from the Autism Research Institute who will be biased towards the link but have found no link.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 01/12/2008 22:40

oh ok your 22:33 post suggests that you agree with Wakefield. So why all the stuff earlier about how parents just get confused and think their child has regressed when really they've been autistic all along.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 01/12/2008 22:41

You think the ARI will be biased towards a link? You know very little about research funding!

Original poster
TheLadyEvenstar · 01/12/2008 22:42

Hiya all,
Am back again after a rather hectic day, But thats another thread when I get my head round things lol.

Anyway back to the MMR

Today I had ds1's parents evening. His teacher is also a trained child psychologist. I listened to all she had to say and I then broached the subject of the behaviour changes in ds1 after he had had the mmr. She did not rubbish my concerns nor disagree with them...She just simply said That is very very interesting.

What she meant well who knows lol.

But watching ds1 tonight and watching a video of him before and after the mmr. And there really is a major noticable change. The video really did make my mind up even more than it already was. DS2 will have the single measles jab and mumps but no way in the world will i inflict on him the MMR. he is worth more than losing another jolly son. If he changes NATURALLY then so be it.

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mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:44

Because not all children regress, some never develop, which suggests that MMR is not necessarily responsible, especially with early diagnosis. Obviously it also depends on the severity. I was referring to all cases of Autism. So for example ASD may be quite mild and may not become apparent until behaviour is lacking when it should have developed, such as social play.

mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:46

TLE I think you have made a sensible decision. Single vaccination is by far better than not vaccinating.

mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:48

JJ since all previous research had pointed to a link I would suggest they are all for finding a link.

IorekByrnison · 01/12/2008 22:48

My tether - why are you even talking about mild autism? The children believed to have been vaccine damaged are not suffering from "mild autism". Nor is anyone suggesting that the increase in rates of autism is due to MMR. The issue is that there is a small group of children who became severely disabled following their MMR jabs, and nobody currently knows why.

ChristmasFairySantAsSLut · 01/12/2008 22:49

ladyevenstar....if therewas such difference, and considering, that since your first post I realise that your ds was 4( which probably made it even more obvious)itis fair comment...not that you care, or should, about what I think....

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 01/12/2008 22:50

Yep you have lost me again. No-one is suggesting that MMR is responsible for all cases of autism. That would be a ridiculous suggestion. Only that it is implicated in a small number of cases involving regression and ulcerated guts.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 01/12/2008 22:53

who had previously seen all previous research pointing to a link?

the ARI is reporting the authors findings. Not passing comment.

You have totally lost me.I have no idea what your point is.

mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:54

IB exactly- nobody knows why. Yet lots of people choose to believe that MMR causes Autism in some children. Hence some not vaccinating. This mass hysteria in light of a relatively small number who later develop Autism could be catastrophic if the majority choose not to vaccinate if they cannot have single vaccines for whatever reason.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 01/12/2008 22:55

Is there any evidence that the majority are choosing not to vaccinate? Er no.

mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:55

Got to go to bed now anyway but will catch up tomorrow. Night

mytetherisending · 01/12/2008 22:56

Er yes!

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 01/12/2008 22:59

Er no.

The figure quoted by the govt are always for the MMR. The vast majority of children who don't have the MMR have singles. So I;d like to see your evidence that there are huge numbers of unvaccinated children roaming the streets (and don't quote the BBC they're incapable of getting an MMR story right unfortunately).

I do know a number of children who haven't had any vaccinations (in all cases, none, not just the MMR). All have an elder sibling who had some sort of bad reaction to a vaccination.