to not allow ds2 to have mmr jab?

[TheLadyEvenstar]

I don't think I am, after ds1 had it i noticed a major difference in his behaviour and don't want to go through it again,

Or shall we advise people to assess there family history where possible and genetic pre-disposition, diet and surrounding factors, post-partum factors such as number of infections up to the MMR point, to assess whether someone is immuno-compromised and likely to not be able to cope with MMR vaccination Silly me! Thats what happens! Compromised immunity precludes vaccination. Perhaps it would be wise to do a WBC count prior to vaccinating.

but, yes, within ot it may well be where autism research will be conducted...especially with the raising number of diagnosis...
that and I suppose ld nursing...

their family history.

mytether...as you can see within this thread I am, generally, pro mmr...worked well for mine....but...yes....research should be done to find out ways to pinpoint individuals that should not be vaccinated...and immunosuppressed people is just one of them...
I think if people would be able to know if or if it isn't safe to vaccinate, this debate would not exist and we would have a higher uptake of vaccinations....herefore establish herd immunity....

You really think that is what happens? That a family history is taken before vaccination? No it doesn't.

Although I have to say that having taken the decision not to vaccinate ds2 or ds3 (with anything) a surprising number of HCP's including doctors- especially the senior ones - have agreed with me. The words 'I would have done the same in your situation', have been heard a few times.

Christmasfairy here's a very moving regression. I was looking for Floortime vids there are lots on Youtube. The kids aren't completely ignored. Just by research.

that was, earlier, first term of first year

jj I know it doesn't happen unless an auto immune disorder is previously diagnosed- I am suggesting it should and would be better than the alternative of the majority not vaccinating which will result in an epidemic and increase the risk of death to all children with or without Autism.

Tether, I find your post of 21:26 utterly bizarre:

"Or shall we advise people to assess there family history where possible and genetic pre-disposition, diet and surrounding factors, post-partum factors such as number of infections up to the MMR point, to assess whether someone is immuno-compromised and likely to not be able to cope with MMR vaccination Silly me! Thats what happens! Compromised immunity precludes vaccination. Perhaps it would be wise to do a WBC count prior to vaccinating."

This doesn't happen at the moment. I was never asked anything other than "does she have a cold at the moment" prior to dd's MMR jab. And if you look at the NHS literature/website, there is nothing to suggest that any group of children should be wary of vaccination.

Where are you getting this from?

jj by them saying they can see why you choose not to doesn't mean they agree with your decision, just that they have to respect your choice. Unfortunately your choice and others who choose not to vaccinate put everyones child at risk, especially children under the MMR vaccination age. These children are currently less likely to contract these diseases. If most people chose not to vaccinate and the incidence rise, so does the risk to them.

IB read my post directly below yours.

x posts, tether - so what was your comment "Silly me! That's what happens!" all about if you weren't suggesting that this is current practice?

Jimjams - thanks for posting that lovely video - I enjoyed watching it. Sad though

It is currant practice but only in those who have been diagnosed with auto immune disorders.

saying "I would have done the same in your position' is respecting my choice?? Oh right.

electra- check out my FB status update....

Fine, tether, but that's not what your post said.

mytether - you are coming out with one cliche after anoher - the social responsibility thing has been discussed a lot on this therad. It's not an argument that makes any sense imo.

Stewie - do you know what the situation is with pertussis. Seizures used to rule out pertussis, but now there's no choice until you're 10. You have to have it if you want things like tetanus.

Is that because they think aP isn't contraindicated in the case of seizures or??? why ??? I cannot think why!

Just watched the video. Can someone make it clear. Are his parents blaming the MMR? Did he have auto immune disorders?

Someone!

I think jj was trying to ram home the point of regression which I am fully aware of anyway. Not to connect it with MMR. It could have been down to earlier imms or earlier infections, as with Autism generally.

This is from the Autism Research Institute

'So which studies are sufficient to overwhelm? Several have looked at age of exposure to MMR vaccine and risk of autism. Such a hypothesis is merited on the basis that younger age of exposure to measles virus is associated with an increased risk of adverse outcome including persistent infection and delayed disease. Richler et al posed the question of whether there is an autism phenotype characterized by regression associated with significant intestinal symptoms following MMR vaccine, in a previously developmentally normal or near-normal child (6). Children meeting these criteria were compared with all other autistic children in their study cohort. In this, the only epidemiologic study to at least attempt to segregate this sentinel autism phenotype, age-of-exposure to MMR vaccine was significantly lower (mean age 14.38 months) when compared with the remaining autistic population (mean age 17.71 months; (p

Looked at several of those video clips on you tube...your link and more, jimjams...thanks for posting the link...

the one with tom, reminded me of a movie I have watched recently on True movies....so similar...the movie was a true story....can't remember the name right now...

thank-you mytetherisending. The video REALLY upset me, that beautiful boy. I can't believe regression can happen in such way.

What sort of earlier infections, not run of the mill, ear, throat infections surely?

response to the Richler study

So I take it that mytether is saying that there can be regression, there can be regression due to earlier vax, or there can be regression due to viral infections. But there is no possible way there can ever be a regression due to MMR.

Right.