to not allow ds2 to have mmr jab?

[TheLadyEvenstar]

I don't think I am, after ds1 had it i noticed a major difference in his behaviour and don't want to go through it again,

I take it you haven't read the thread then Ico

I won't ever give it to ds1 btw. I don't know what will happen when he goes into residential as an adult though, I think we lose any say/rights then. Perhaps he'll have capacity so could make up his own mind.

awww, jimjams

That's the only thing that I don't like about resi (lots of good things going for it - in decent places- for him too), but you do lose your say as a parent when they become adults.

Ico, it's because people do care about their kids that they carefully consider whether to vaccinate or not or whether to give single rather than combined vacs. You do know that vaccines can cause damage don't you? Not trying to patronise by the way, just checking.

I have had another discussion with dp over this and I have agreed to consider letting ds2 have the single measles vaccination before or just after he starts school, not nursery

Can't read all this so apologies if I'm repeating anything thats already been said. I believe that one thing that does add to the argument is this.
If a parent decides to immunise their child that decision isn't, in all probability, going to have anything but a beneficial effect on anyone else's children. In that it lessens the risk of an epidemic. However if a parent decides not to vaccinate their child then that decision could potentially have an effect on another child that hasn't been vaccinated because they are too young or too unwell to be vaccinated. The more people who decide not to vaccinate their healthy children the greater the risk to those not well enough to be vaccinated. In that group I would include those who are at risk from receiving the vaccines. Because surely if the vaccine would be bad for them so would the disease?
I think the "Your Child Your Choice" argument is fine when your choice doesn't have a potential impact on other children but it will always cause argument when it does.

here we go

Oh and german measles........why did we stop vaccinating adolescent girls?

Jimjams, thank you for your posts....and I am very glad you taken my posts as I meant them...i.e. really just asking and exploring and you are obvioulsy very responsible as in worrying the possible impact on otehrs, i.e. keeping kids of school, etc.....like I said for us the vaccines were the answer, and I did my research at the time....but I do know every person will have a different situation...and in the end you will put that and whatever you found n research and try your best..

like I said more research need to be done to clarify and establidsh at risk by vaccnes Children/people and accept that those really shouod not have it and than with a general herd- immunity those children should be protected, to!

sorry about crap spelling....the bottle of wine I consumed might have something to do with that, lol....ooops....

I have read all this (that's why it is now so late). There have been some very thoughtful posts and many posters who have clearly an enormous amount of knowledge about the debate.
I don't see how, atm, we can rule out the possibility that a child with a (rare) immune system issue might have an adverse and severe reaction to vaccination. So I can completely see why jimjams would not wish to vaccinate a child who she knows has immune related problems.
Most of us (thankfully) don't know this about our children.
Jimjams, I think you are the only mother of unvaccinated children who has mentioned staying in if there are even the slightest signs of measles (miserable coughing child - it is many days until the rash manifests) and I am glad this has been mentioned. Hope your ds3 is better now.
I am involved in looking after hundreds of transplant patients who (whether they have previously had measles/vaccination or not) could die if they catch measles from a not-particularly-unwell-unvaccinated child.
I am aware that knowing people in this situation personally affects my own emotional responses to the vaccination question.

There is loads of research demonstrating absolutely NO link between the MMR and autism. It is a shame that the media do not understand science and report things badly leading to massive scaremongering. In fact it is more than a shame. All that research funding and effort would have been FAR better targetted at helping us to understand and help people with autism and their families.

There may be other complications with the MMR causing illness, I have come across some parents who have reported this, but i do not know of any research into it. I am happy for my children to have the MMR, despite knowing just how challenging a condiition autism can be.

Stewie - Yes, Amish have very few autistic children, and no, they don't have high vaccination rates at all. They have a "religious exception" to vaccination.

Here is what an Amish woman has to say on the subject.

"Unfortunately our autistic daughter who's doing very well, she's been diagnosed with very, very severe autism is adopted from China, and so she would have had all her vaccines in China before we got her, and then she had most of her vaccines given to her in the United States before we got her."

"Almost every Amish family I know has had somebody from the health department knock on our door and try to convince us to get vaccines for our children," she said. "The younger Amish more and more are getting vaccines. It's a minority of children who vaccinate, but that is changing now."

Did she know of any other autistic Amish? Two more children, she said.

"One of them, we're very certain it was a vaccine reaction, even though the government would not agree with that."

FairLadyRantALot - re "how would those children actually fair if they contracted the virus itself....would they react differently to the virus itself then they would to the vaccine"

It would be OK, as they would not contract all three diseases at the same time.

You are being unreasonable in the sense that you are not using reason to make a decision.

Anyway, why are the Amish community to be regarded as having the right ideas about MMR anyway? Complete red herring.

True Cote...however, isn't it just the measles that are found in the gut etc...after the mmr....so, it is only 1 virus they are actually reacting, too...not all 3?
So, if they were to contract measles, and possibly one of those wild strains ....is there not a danger they would react adverserly to the virus itself?

Marla, i agree with you totally. The MMR does not prevent measles. my ds1 was 4 when he had the jab and was 5 1/2 when he caught measles and was quite poorly with it.

As far as I know they haven't been researched as much...however, I might be wrong....

The main issue is, I think that you will extent the time until the child is actually immunised...
also, weren't there issues with the quality of some vaccines used, due to the way they have to be sourced, because they are not licensed over here?

This link is quite good , I think...

Fairladyrantalot - the link is VERY GOOD.

Thanks.

Been following on and off this thread over the weekend. Started off very much in favour of MMR, then had a breakdown last night and thought I was more keen for singles, however the link you gave is very clear - I'm not going for the MMR.........next week.