to not allow ds2 to have mmr jab?

[TheLadyEvenstar]

I don't think I am, after ds1 had it i noticed a major difference in his behaviour and don't want to go through it again,

I'd just report it on that online form. It might not get very far without a GP's support but at least it's lodged. If enough people say the same thing it might get noted.

Oh and another reason to report it was that recently something was published saying that obviously there were no problems with jabs (pr maybe medications) as since the introduction of a direct reporting system for the general public (not even sure if its that one) hardly any had been reported. Er maybe because no-one knew about it!!

So report it to give it a chance to register it as a concern I guess.

muppetgirl - really sorry to hear about your ds. I would report it as jimjams says - afraid I don't have any useful advice but hope your little boy gets better soon.

Jimjams, why do you think that these reactions are going unlogged by GP's? Is it lack of faith in the yellow card system do you think or because they just don't believe these kind of symptoms could be caused by a vaccine?

Am just off to see if your gp finds out what you've said. I've had friends who were asked to leave the practice after a misdiagnosis that they complained about...

IorekByrnison - I believe that GPs have a 'yellow' form they can fill in to report any adverse reactions to any medicines / vaccines given.

I have followed this thread with great interest and am still in limbo (and have for the past two years) on whether to vaccinate DD. It feels that it's almost a 'you are damned if you do and damned if you don't' situation. The problem for me is that I don't really trust either site of the argument. Not because I believe in conspiracy theories but where people / government / drug companies get their statistics from. Most medicines / vaccines have not been tested on children and therefore one can only predict how they will effect them and secondly - again statistics - one can interpret them any way you want to suit your purpose. So rather than asking why the government would want to mislead us etc, ask whether the drug companies have anything to gain......

Thanks Schullerbacke - the yellow card system does seem like a good idea, but perhaps one which isn't being implemented very consistently,at least in the case of vaccines. Would love to hear from GP's on this.

i understand how you are feeling as it took a great deal to take my ds for his first mmr ( all the fuss just started kicking up back then), but as i have a 7 month old dd who is at risk every time i do a school run it does not just affect your child, but others as well

Please have it done. My DP had measles as a child and has severly damaged eyesight and very little hearing. Neither he, nor I, would wish that on anyone. Please, get the jab done.

Iarel, what I do with my ds's does not affect other children. I take my ds1 to school everyday and collect him. HE had the MMR and yet still caught measles....

No if you mean the Fombonne study, it didn't look at subgroups. It looked at PDD rates and MMR rates. This doesn't answer the subgroup question- the subgroup is believed to be small (about 7% of cases). You're not going to find the evidence in this sort of study.

If you look at a group such as the Amish you're not really going to have a big enough group to pick up a small subgroup. And autism/vaccination rates tell you nothing. 93% of cases of autism are almost certainly not caused by MMR.

TheLadyEvenstar - as long as you feel you are fully informed of the risks of having the disease vis a vis having the jab then the decision is yours so don't let anyone guilt trip you either way. There are (homeopathic)remedies that can be taken to offset the negative effects of both the disease (when caught) and the vaccinations so the choice is yours. Good luck

TheLadyEvenstar - as long as you feel you are fully informed of the risks of having the disease vis a vis having the jab then the decision is yours so don't let anyone guilt trip you either way. There are (homeopathic)remedies that can be taken to offset the negative effects of both the disease (when caught) and the vaccinations so the choice is yours. Good luck

larel- if you had measles as a child your 7 month old dd would be unlikely to catch measles at all as she would have good passive immunity from you - especially if your immunity was boosted by frequent exposure to measles virus in people incubating it.

Naturally acquired passive measles immunity usually lasts around a year which is why the MMR isn't given earlier (vaccination before 12 months doesn't count- maternal antibodies interfere).

not sure whether it's relevant anymore but Dr halverson is not the only place to get single vacines Wellcare also provide the services in major cities all over the country.

Don't want to get into the debate as it seems to have moved on but if anyone wants singles and wasn't sure where to go, here one source. HTH

Hmm..didn't wakefield really just establish that autistic children, that became autistic after having the mmr had an abnormality in thier gut, which was than made better by elimination diet, of wheat I think,...so, all wakefield really suggested was that some Kids maybe more susceptable (?) to developing autism/autistic behaviour after mmr...due to teh virus manifesting in the gut and doing whatever it does....
however, how would those children actually fair if they contracted the virus itself....would they react differently to the virus itself then they would to the vaccine....because I can , just, remember it being said it was the virus they found, not components of the vaccine...iykwim...

like I said before, have not really looked into it for some years now...
however, this reminds me, that ys still has not been called up for his pre-school boosters...must see when that will happen...

I think you've mixed up Wakefield's work with that of the autism research unit (ARU). Although if your gut is leaky (whether because of ulcers or the ARU type stuff) then a gluten casein free diet may well help.

2 different gut conditions.

Wakefield's belief is that it is 'atypical' exposure to the measles virus that is dangerous. He found for example that crohns is more likely if someone catches measles (natural) during an epidemic. I think he felt that measles together with mumps and rubella may be an atypical exposure. But that just a suggestions to be considered.

oh right, thanks for clarifying it jimjams....like I said, am a bit hazy about many details....not something I now worry about....just hoping for the best now!

BUt the virusses, even in life vaccines are genetically modified and made harmless, just triggering the immune reaction, aren't they?
Also, don't we come across like thausends germs...etc...a day....that boost our immune system ....isn't that why it is said that really the 3 in 1 vaccines really don't put that much stress onto the body, considering daily exposure to everything?

Also, an aunt of mine has crohns, and it has greatly impacted on her life....childless, due to meds she had to take, needed a stoma for many years as an adult, and felt very conscience about this and embaressed...totally limited diet and many embarressing accidents, i.e. where loose stools could not be held back....now, I have no idea if she has this because of contracting measles...but I do know her life is no walk in the park, neither....

Oh, marla..about the single vaccines, I don't think they have been proven to work and also, because of teh time span the child is left vulnurable for longer....

I don't really want to get drawn into the MMR debate but my decision to have singles for ds was based on my interpretation of the available literature on the topic. I didn't have time to do hours of reading but I did spend a fair amount of time researching it. Also, I wonder if vaccine damage tends to be more common in boys?? Even on mumsnet, it seems to be more prevalent in boys. Of course, I have not researched this theory but I didn't really want to risk it either. It's not just MMR I'm wary of. When ds was due to have DTP it still contained mercury. I waited a few months til the new one came in.

We come across a lot of microorganisms. Not 3 pathogens. Catching measles and mumps in the same year (naturally) increases your risk of autism apparently. I wouldn't want my child to have measles mumps and rubella at once!

They are modified. But they can never be guaranteed harmless for everyone. My aunt looks after someone profoundly disabled by the measles vaccine. Accepted. She receieved compensation.

But yes, if you are more at risk from the vaccine virus then you are probably more at risk from the illness as well. Although some people suggest (without much evidence) that usually measles enters through the respiratory membranes and not directly into the bloodstream and for some this might make a difference. It's an interesting hypothesis, but nothing more. In my family (can only talk about mine really) their risk of developing autism will decrease with increasing age whilst the risk from measles will increase after puberty. Therefore it seems that for my -high risk of autism- boys the safest time to give a measles vaccination is shortly before puberty hits. So 8is or 9ish,

Crohns is a horrible illness.

jimjams, if there was a measles outbreak in your area would you give your boys singles earlier?
or just try and keep them in?

just asking after chatting with asdmum on this thread

it must be the hot topic atm!

Oh FFS, I really hope the journos that started this quackery someday get taken to task for it. it's a fine thing when people believe idiot journalists over acres of scientific findings. Terrible things happen to good people and innocent chuldren, but MMR is not one of them. If you care about your kids, get the vacinnated. End of.

I would give ds2 it, but not ds3, not yet and not knowing what I know about his immune system. I also dose the pair of them up with cod liver oil.

I'm more concerned about them spreading it tbh. Anything that looks remotely like an early measles symptom and they're off school. Ds3 was off last week because he had a barking cough. He was ill, but part of the reason for keeping him off when he didn't seem to bad early on was that it looked a bit measley.