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to want to post on the "For my husband to earn £65,000 per annum and we still can't afford to live"..... thread because it's full???

527 replies

chockywocky · 07/11/2008 21:17

i cant believe its full and and havent had my say.....

OP posts:
needmorecoffee · 08/11/2008 16:04

there were feminsists who acted like women were traitors if they didn't work or if they dared to have babies. Like I said, 1970's.

policywonk · 08/11/2008 16:06

Yes, fair point. I just wouldn't do her the honour of calling her a feminist myself.

needmorecoffee · 08/11/2008 16:10

its s sub-set. I used to protest at Greenham common and even liking a man was being a 'traitor to the sisterhood'
Didn't tell them I was planning to be a sahm

Smee · 08/11/2008 16:11

er Xenia you absolutely did say that, I quote: 'This is not a stay at home mothers' site.'

  • you wonder why we all get so wound up . Though mostly am amused I have to say.. Policywonk, I'm with needmorecoffee, you absolutely do have to read. Far too entertaining not to.
Smee · 08/11/2008 16:14

Can't see Xenia sullying her boots at Greenham..

Ronaldinhio · 08/11/2008 16:16

Doesn't she mean soley a stsy st home mothers site?

needmorecoffee · 08/11/2008 16:20

site is for everybody. Most women SAH for a bit at some point.

needmorecoffee · 08/11/2008 16:24

I do agree with Xenia's last point to the OP. Either reduce what you buy or go get some work.

CoteDAzur · 08/11/2008 16:36

Can someone clarify the childcare situation in UK for me?

Here in France, the vast majority of mums go back to work after maternity leave. At that point, they leave babies at nurseries to which they pay only a very small amount (rest subsidised by the state).

Doesn't this option exist in the UK?

needmorecoffee · 08/11/2008 16:39

judging by the posts here, childcare is a monstrous amount of money, more than the average person earns.
Not aure when childcare vouchers or tax credit stuff kicks in though.

policywonk · 08/11/2008 16:40

You don't get a substantial contribution to childcare costs until your child is in the pre-school year, and even then the state's input doesn't make much of a dent in the fees for a full-time place in a good nursery. (Not that I'd use full-time childcare myself, even if it was free.)

Ronaldinhio · 08/11/2008 16:41

I pay 24k a year on childcare...

SheikYerbouti · 08/11/2008 16:41

My childcare is £8.25 an hour (for 2 kids)

I earn £8.21 an hour.

SheikYerbouti · 08/11/2008 16:43

and I get £10 a week in CTC. I don;t get WTC

We earn "too much" apparently

I have to work during the night basically, in order to earn money. I am very, very fortunate in that I can do 70% of my work at home.

I don't know how anyone else does it tbh

ilovemydogandPresidentObama · 08/11/2008 16:44

cote, I was looking into sending DD to a French nursery here in Bristol for a few mornings a week. But was told they are a proper French nursery (inspected by French educuational people) and they would only accept DD all day - from 08:30 - 17:00 for 5 days a week. This would be too much for her.

At 3 some nurseries offer places for part time - morning or afternoon. This is free.

But if you want child care, it varies wildly. Nurseries (day ones) are about £60.00 a day depending on how old your child is. Childminders are about £8.00 an hour.

SheikYerbouti · 08/11/2008 16:46

CMs in Bath are between £3.50 and a fiver an hour.

Smee · 08/11/2008 16:55

Did you know that the minimum wage is £5.73 an hour..

oranges · 08/11/2008 16:59

there is an excellent point xenia has made before that to make chidcare costs viable, you need to divide them between you and your partner if you have one, so if childcare is £8 an hour, think of it as £4 off your salary and £4 off your dh's and then think if its still uneconomical. Completely different of course of you are a single parent.

needmorecoffee · 08/11/2008 17:00

do people actually see the two salaries as 'seperate'? This I don't get. All money is ours regardless of how it arrives in the house.

oranges · 08/11/2008 17:02

fine, but then why just see childcare costs as something that comes out of a woman's salary?

needmorecoffee · 08/11/2008 17:02

although I will admit that in my own mind that might not be strictly true. I've always seen it as mine regardless of the fact that dh does the going out and paid work thing and I stay at home.
DH sees it as mine too. He once, many many years ago made the tiddly mistake of claiming he earned it so I billed him for childcare, cleaning etc. Its been my money ever since

policywonk · 08/11/2008 17:05

I take your point oranges. I think this happens because if a woman is considering whether to go back to work after taking time out, it's natural to weigh up the financial benefits (her earning potential) against the financial costs. But you're right - childcare is a joint responsibility in a couple's relationship.

Judy1234 · 08/11/2008 17:17

It is very sexist indeed to assume childcare costs come out of a woman's salary. It is also sexist if women arrange it. Why should she? Even back in the early 80s my children's father and I were together finding a nanny, together doing the interviews and had a deal that if a child were ill and needed a parent around unless he had something very urgent on at school his career would come second as I earned more in mine.

I hate reading women saying it will cost me X to go back to work. Surely it also costs a man X if he goes back to work for his childcare too. Why do these women tolerate sexist marriages? What is it in their upbringing that led them to think women arrange child care? Were their mothers sexist or did they choose sexist men?

But the issue is more for those of us with older children - making sure chidlren of either sex know if they choose career option A they will find child care is more than what they earn an hour and if it's B then it won't be such an issue. one of my student children was in the middle of an application for something where if she does well there those in charge earn about £1m a year. She knows what implications that has for her ability to fund child care compared say to a friend applying to become a teacher and she's making informed choices. Of course the added bonus is if you become a teacher you are likely to fall in love with a colleague on £30k a year. If she works where she may work I suppose she might fall in love with someone on £1m a year but either way your financial path is easier.

This is entirely separate from the issue of happiness which of course is nothing much to do with earnings. But easier to be happy and have spare money than happy where an increase in fuel bills messes your budgeting around.

Yes, I said this was not a web site for stay at home mothers. Nor is it for working mothers. It is not for either. But if a stay at home mother with super sensitive feelings finds that offensive that some women who love their work and earn a lot like to show others what can be achieved then perhaps they need to think about why it gets to them so much. We all make choices, good and bad and if people aren't happy with their choices then change them. if they are happy I can't see why someone having a different view offends them. I am not offended that some parents think it right to smack a child but I would always defend children and say that it's morally wrong for example. SImilarly if someone strongly feels a child's mental health is damaged if mothers work then I am sure they have a moral duty to point that out but it's not a question of being offended or otherwise.

Some women are too namby pamby, let's be nice to each other all the time, a kind of fake how wonderful you are thing where they keep their true thoughts to themselves and aren't able even to cope with anyone whose views differs from their own.

TinySocks · 08/11/2008 17:21

Xenia, from reading your posts it seems to me that your life choices, aspirations and your self fulfilment revolve around income and career.

What are you going to do if one day you cannot work?

Work is important, I agree, and it is lovely to achieve your goals and feel you are progressing, but you need a balance. It cannot be all work work work.

I think you need to go to a psychoanalyst to find out the root of your fear. (And I don't mean that in a detrimental way, I think we could all benefit from some help!!)

Are you happy?

needmorecoffee · 08/11/2008 17:22

to be honest Xenia, i don't care if a woman goes out to work and what she earns and I don't think SAH mums have more sensitive feelings than WOH mums. There are people in both groups who get over-sensitive about the other group.
I do get fed up with those who diss my choice, claiming I'm failing or letting down women.
And that Xenia has been you on so many many threads.
I chose to stay home. I've been home 17 years. dh went out to work to support me then I insisted he stay home to be a carer. Next May I start an OU course and will stay at home while he goes and works part time while dd is in school.
Its my choice and mine alone.

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