to want to post on the "For my husband to earn £65,000 per annum and we still can't afford to live"..... thread because it's full???

[chockywocky]

i cant believe its full and and havent had my say.....

Xenia :"If you look at the impact had this family survived on their father's teacher salary over the last 24 years or his plus mine - massive difference in our life and lifestyle and opportunities for the children.."
That truly makes me shudder. Each to their own and I know a lot of people think that way. Also I'm more than hypocritical as I'd hate to be broke so won't deny money does matter in lots of ways, but still .

Still this site would be oh-so-dull if we all thought the same.

sorry don't understand what national papers are affirmative of xenia?

Sometimes I write stuff that gets published, but not very regularly.

Iran. I think I looked terrible. It wasn't even pretty clothing they gave me. They emailed me about 10 photos today and I look like I'm in an old housecoat that has never been ironed and the wooly head thing looks very strange.

On the differences if I'd not worked and had, well obviously the main thing that counts with children is their genes and if they're loved and you listen and talk to them which most parents, working or otherwise, do manage and I'm sure we did (their father is not normal teacher though - in his prviate school he was home by 6pm if he didn't have school things on, not 3 or anything and 2 or 3 nights a week out working and 20 or 30 pupils outside of school and always worked Christmas etc (play the organ) so I doubt he really did work shorter hours particularly as teachers around here tend to work most of the summer holidays in summer camps to make ends meet). If we had relied on their father's income it would just have been a very different life in terms of the hobbies the children did, educating 5 at private schools or otherwise, funding them at university and just all kinds of aspects. They have benefited from my income, no question, in lots of ways not that I particularly spend much money on them, we never eat out etc and are not very materialistic but in terms of hobbies, horses, skiing and stuff like that, stuff which rights or wrongly seems to help their CVs now they are looking for jobs, the money has helped.

X it's how you write it. Not saying I'll agree with you lots, as I think we're on different planets, but if you'd put it like that the first time, I wouldn't have gone Though am still bemused by how centred it all seems on them achieving.

Bloody hell xenia i do hope your kids can laugh at you cos sometimes i find it hard

i am a stay at home mum

have been for 17 years

I have 6 kids

I am unmarried

I am not depressed

do not eat biscuits all afternoon

do not finish of my childrens meals

My children go to state schools

my son got 10 A* at GCSE

gRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

oh sorry forgot to add i am thin .....

are you..????

PMSL notanotter!

But let's not forget the really important stuff - do your kids play lacrosse?!

no one compels anyone to believe media etc we have volition/autonomy.you likey or lump it

xenia,i think is an articulate bound to rile chuck 'em a fish raconteur.and she gets the hits

Notanotter you clearly need to try harder at being a SAHM if you are not doing all of those things.

Xenia,lots of respect to you,and your dcs achieving whta you have but you MUST make the concession that Mnet is a website that is accessed by thousands of mothers from all backgrounds and that though many people may aspire to your achievements which I am sure are hard won,some may not ever be able to do what you have done,and also MAY NOT WISH TO!It doesn't make them lesser people!Just different!Monetary value is not everything!Working is not everything!To some people,being there as a mum to their children without a nanny/nursery is important.I am not saying it is more or less valuable but it is important to them.If I had not been there for dd in the last year dd makaton wouldn't have progressed.Yes she is disabled.She will never be independent,but I HAVE HELPED HER PROGRESS AS i FEEL NO ONE BUT A MOTHER COULD,BECAUSE NO ONE WILL LOVE HER LIKE i DO COS SHE IS A VULNERABLE PERSON.To me that is an achievement.Like NOA being a mum with a child who got 10 a* at GCSE (wELL DONE)

I suppose i do appear somewhere in Xenia's rationale

I am the slimmer end of the spectrum owing to the fact I stay sexy for my 'meal - ticket husband'

Sadly I stay sexy for myself

I am a femisnist and all feminists are not bra burning crop haired tent wearers

all wohm are far from savvy, suit wearing sex kittens

all sahms are not dipper eating depressed dags

I hope you do not express these ideals on your daughters - lord help them if they decide to stay at home with their kids

I am a part-time worker and I can't even keep my eyebrows tamed

what's a dipper?

Findtheriver -not at all - one of my favourite songs is all.

I have the greatest respect for Xenia for doing so well. But she must realise that not everyone shares her ambitions/has her oppotunities. And that doesn't make you weak or sad. We're all just tring to do our best after all.

i don't mean to state obvious but xenia squawk contentious value laden quip for a response

doubt in rl she holds such views

tbh a number of my friends feel the same way as xenia but would perhaps convey it in a more palatable style.

MN has been a real eye-opener for me in this respect - I genuinely had no idea that people were so contemptuous of SAHPs (not talking about Xenia but about other posters who I had previously considered to be quite reasonable types before coming across them posting bile on threads like this)

what is SAHP please Policywonk?

This thread has been an eye opener for me also. Mostly in the lack of respect people have for others choices and situations

until MN didn't know fok got so riled about working mums or so much vitriol.hey ho

SAHP - stay-at-home-parents. Because these threads always turn into arguments about what women do, as though it's nothing to do with fathers.

SAHP -stay at home parent

I think Stay at home parent.I was a bit sexist in my post and said SAH Mothers!Ofcourse Dads are important too

I have strong feelings on this topic because of my experiences, I hope I have not posted bile though.

No no, not you TSAP. Not this thread actually - a previous bunfight.