in thinking that the BBC have chickened out by not sacking that overpaid windbag Jonathan Ross??

[lottiejenkins]

??? Do tell me???

MNs Baillie, yes? Dress myself up like Ms Baillie.

Yes agree, it has been dealt with.

But we've been discussing wider stuff on other threads.

Come on over Peachy, it's v. invigorating.

(Ms Baillie wasn't offended, she linked it on her myspace quite happily)

OOOh no, there's someone on there doesn't like me and I am scared

OK reality- Dh is due up (night worker- lazy bugger too but its the shifts for this LOL) and he and me Need Words LOL> But there is someone with an eye for me and its easier to avoiid tbh.

I do have an interest in all this pendulum effect with sexism, possibly because I have 4 boys but I think I was intrigued before. I am as uncomfortable at the aero ad as I am at carry on, iyswim?

I just don't get it, i have no issues as a woman at all, I must live in a very sheltered enclave. I don't think I could have it better, I can make money exploiting my sexuality, stay at home (if I wasn't taxed so much) or work, I can even work full time if I choose to or work part-time flexibly. I quite frankly prefer the choices I have to a mans limited choices. I can also sleep around or be chaste, I can be gay or bi or anything I damn well please and no one would bat an eyelid. But then I do live rurally

Even better I can dress provicatively, publish pics of myself on internet court publicity, call myself a slut and sell my story to the newspapers, then claim sexism is rife.. and demand womens liberation..

Oooh, those country folk rebel mum, all that bum action and muff diving - terrible!!!!

The only problem i have with the aero add is that the guy isnt that good looking.

Someone made the point that this girl is in a sexually provocative band (i bet they have a record out soon now!!!), that it doesn't make RBs behaviour excusable, no of course it doesn;t. But it does make one wonder just how much she actually gives a flying fuck who knows she fucked russel brand - blimey, if i had fucked russel brand (yeah, like he'd have me - but then ive heard he's not fussy) i would be telling anyone who sat still long enough to listen. "i fucked RB - he wasn't very good" or "i fucked RB - he made me cum three times" That sort of thing. I honestly don't think this woman will be scared for life, i think she will do very well out of it thankyou very much. That is not derrogatory to her either, i just think that she just very possibly, might be someone who is faiiirly comfortable with her sexuality - well at least judging by the picture i saw of her on 8 out of 10 cats last night - good luck to her, if only i had her figure .

Of course in that list of people i would be boasting of my conquest too, i don't think i'd be wanting my Grand dad to know - v embarrasing.

Yes and I didn't even get onto all the animals ..

yes and it's about common decency not mysogny

I can't imagine sex with RB to be that much fun though, he would be too busy waving his arms around and over dramatising to actually build up much of a rhythm. Just verbalising what i was thinking about his show last night - i'd still give him a go though, well, these things have to be done really don't they. Disappointed with the show though - did anyone see the woman who said she wasn't going to fuck her horse yet because she felt he was too young - i wonder if she is going to sue for being included on a program parodying peoples eccentricities with regards to their pets, because it didn't show her in a very good light i can tell you

A woman could ring a former partners grandmother and it would be just as bad

But if she rang his Granddad would it be misandry or just bad taste?

I disagree, I think it is also about mysogyny.

Yes a woman could ring someone's granny. But a womand didn't. RB and JR did.

And then the BBC broadcast it.

Why a theoretical woman has to be considered in lieu of an actual man is a bit beyond me tbh.

The whole thing is a total over reaction - I couldn't give a shit. Bored that it's a lead news item [yawn]

JR probably negotiated that fine via his agent with the BBC so it looked hefty enough for the public to percieve him as justly chastized and allow him to move forward with his career once the ban is over (incidentally, he can work outside his deal with the BBC anyway and will net £100K for an upcoming awards ceremony).

Oh, and RB can't wait to fuck off to LA anyway and get one with his much more lucrative film career, so his resignation was part of a career strategy anyway that was brought forward by, oh, let me see, about 6 months.

I think it is really fuzzy thinking to confuse:

1. how much someone is paid with
2. whther they have done something stupid.

or, to put it another way, if what he did was morally or legally wrong, then how much he is paid is entirely beside the point and drawing attention to it only indicates that the accuser is motivated by envy.

if JR was a volunteer, and paid nothing, then would it have been OK for him to leave lewd messages on someone's answermachine?
if he was paid more, then would it have been more morally reprehensible?

Harpsicord - not sure whether that's in response to my post or not. But...I just mention the money because it's all so arbitary - I'm sort of making the same point as you. That the monetary fine is meaningless. He will work outside his contract - the weight of the fine is there as PR exercise to make sure Joe Public think he's been reprimanded sufficiently.

The truth is, he did something bad, but I don't personally think it's the crime of the century. I certainly don't think it's something I want to hear debated about on bloody newsnight or whatever.

Silly boymen, got carried away with the type of humour that should stay private. A bit of a cock fight of who could be the most outrageous - each thinking the other would signal when they felt a line had been crossed - neither did. BBC are just as guilty for allowing the broadcast.

LOL at cockfight

unfortunate metaphor

No, intentional littlebella.

I meant, they were swinging dicks to see who could be the most outrageous funny man.

YABU! Its good business sense for them to keep JR!

anyways they did the guy a favour faulty towers DVD sales have gone up 15%

I wonder if JR would like it if someone called him telling him what they had done to his daughter

Ha ha ping ping - that's interesting.

We all are such numpties for not realising what a part of a ridiculous PR game for all these A, B, G and Z list celebs.

YANBU - he has had his day! Apparently he will lose out on £1.2m for 12 weeks - nice work if you can get it!

I reckon the BBC are hedging their bets by suspending him for 12 weeks. They'll hope that everyone's forgotten about it by then so they don't have to sack him, but can ease him back into mainstream TV to earn his ridiculous salary.