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in thinking that the BBC have chickened out by not sacking that overpaid windbag Jonathan Ross??

164 replies

lottiejenkins · 30/10/2008 19:59

??? Do tell me???

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VictorianSqualor · 31/10/2008 11:17

What's sexist about Buzzcocks????

annoyingdevil · 31/10/2008 11:18

2 orignally, the rest were jumping on the bandwagon.

rebelmum1 · 31/10/2008 11:19

People who claim mysogyny in this case are fast turning me into a mysogynist I'm afraid Women can be and are equally vile and distasteful towards the opposite sex. It's a crime against common decency and taste no more no less. Boyish pranks undertaken by people who no better. I don't think anyone can accuse RB of holding women in contempt quite the opposite!

rebelmum1 · 31/10/2008 11:22

I think if you try hard enough you can deconstruct anything to read what you like into it.

VictorianSqualor · 31/10/2008 11:23

If GB had said 'I'm not impressed, it was terrible, I want an apology' then I may have thought more of her. But she sold her story to the papers with claims that RB was obsessed with the fact that she was AS's granddaughter. She mentioned things that were supposed to have happened between them intimately, yet claims they should be kept private.
Hypocrisy is more rife in this story than misogyny as far as I can see.

rebelmum1 · 31/10/2008 11:24

I had to do a feminist deconstruction of the story of Ruth and Naomi once and argue that they were lesbians..

rebelmum1 · 31/10/2008 11:27

Poor old Enid Blyton has had a good bashing too, I'm reviving her and reading the Faraway Tree to my dd. I mean who can take offence at lines like ..'I say girls come up here there's something rather queer..'

rebelmum1 · 31/10/2008 11:31

I mean woman publishes images of herself in stereotypical provocative gear on the internet and calls herself a slut, discloses the intimate details of her relationship and capitalises on the story, how is she the innocent hard done by woman downtrodden by men?

rebelmum1 · 31/10/2008 11:36

Not only that 30,000 people have complained accross the country most if not all didn't hear the broadcast it, it's been news headlines despite a global financial crisis, peak oil, war, and global warming, even the prime minister has condemned it. RB has resigned and JR is suspended, it's nearly brought about the end of the BBC, how on earth do you get that it is widescale mysogyny ??!!

WifeandMotherof4 · 31/10/2008 11:36

For God's sake, it was a joke. If you don't like it don't listen.

Can't believe there aren't more important things to discuss.

rebelmum1 · 31/10/2008 11:39

Why are you hear discussing it then

rebelmum1 · 31/10/2008 11:39

doh!

Blondeshavemorefun · 31/10/2008 11:53

JR didnt say anything that wasnt true though

she did fuck him

to much has been made out of this imo

there are other stories/grief/news to worry about

ladymariner · 31/10/2008 11:55

A joke???

fwiw, I was listening to the show and turned it off long before they phoned Andrew Sachs. JR, the tosser, going on about practising cunninglingus on an orange when he was a teenager made me want to heave.

scaryteacher · 31/10/2008 12:45

The point is surely that at 47 JR should know better and be aware of where the boundaries are. If comments like that were made about one of his kids then all hell would break loose presumably.

JR is in reality paid by the public through the TV licence. If someone was gratuitously unpleasant or rude to a customer in a shop, or a civil servant/local government officer overstepped the mark like this, then they would lose their jobs. Why hasn't he?

I have no time for RB, but at least he did the decent thing and resigned, as did the controller of Radio 2. However, JR will still be there gurning away and making tasteless remarks come January....well, he may on others TVs; he won't be on mine.

Andie08 · 31/10/2008 12:55

Yes - unreasonable.
I think it's totally been blown out of proportion and the fact that everyone is worrying so much about it with everything else going on in the world is quite scary. Plus the grandaughter in question is in a dance troupe (or something) called The Satanic Sluts so obviously no stranger to courting controversy.

Liffey · 31/10/2008 13:02

It hasn't been blown out of all proportion.

Andie, your comments prove that you don't even grasp why their comments were so wrong.

So, she was in a group called the satantic sluts and that makes it ok? That is along the same lines as "she was wearing a short skirt and asking for it your honour."

Get a grip. It is not acceptable to have people named on tv as being former conquests of some disgusting lothario.

As I said on another thread I think, she didn't put this information out there. He did. And now she can't win. Even how she chooses to deal with the fall out leaves her exposed to more judgement.

She sounds a tough cookie, but that's beside the point.

Are women to be divided neatly in to Whore and Madonna categories? Some worthy of respect and some not?

Their behaviour was appalling and the fact that so many people don't even understand WHY it was appalling obviously makes it a hot topic.

Peachy · 31/10/2008 13:03

'People who claim mysogyny in this case are fast turning me into a mysogynist I'm afraid Women can be and are equally vile and distasteful towards the opposite sex. It's a crime against common decency and taste no more no less.'

hear hear well said

bad atste yes

end of the world? er no, not really

Peachy · 31/10/2008 13:08

'So, she was in a group called the satantic sluts and that makes it ok? That is along the same lines as "she was wearing a short skirt and asking for it your honour."
'

Bollocks! Nobody was raped here, had their lives destroyed. Some offence was caused and thats it. So very very different.

I've been offended and i've been raped, and I vcan assure you the effects are not the same.

Does anyone seriously believe Andrew Sachs took the call and said 'golly gosh stupid me assuming my stunningly beautiful grandaughter was a virgin', let alone 'my stunnigly beautiful burlesque dancing dominatrix grandaughter'

LittleBellaLugosi · 31/10/2008 13:11

So none of you have a problem with sexist, mysogynist humour then? Are you all OK with racist humour as well?

And for about the 16th time, seeing as how people are choosing to start numerous threads about this, the reason this incident was mysogynist, was because the two men involved took the tone that having consensual sex with a woman is automatically getting one over on her, and is something her grandfather should be upset about, which indicates a negative attitude to women having sex.

Are you all happy to accept sexist and mysogyny being presented as cutting edge humour? Because all you have to do is watch the Carry On films and you'll see quite a bit similar.

LittleBellaLugosi · 31/10/2008 13:13

Oh and here again, is a cut and paste of Onebatmother's post, because there are so many threads which are so determined to ignore all the arguments:

"For anyone interested in how cultures work when one group has historically had power over another, there is a mechanism in which one subgroup of the powerless takes responsibility for preventing the group as a whole from empowering themselves.

The powerless are thus in effect self-repressing, and the dominant group need do very little in order to maintain the status quo.

In caste cultures, there is often an undercaste which is responsible for ensuring that the dominant caste is not disturbed or threatened by subordinate castes.

In slavery cultures, likewise.

In cultures which are extremely patriarchal, it is often the older women who are responsible for policing the rest of their sex, and enforcing the rules of patriarchy. It is their reward for having submitted to the rules themselves, and they have a vested interest in ensuring that repression continues, because they might otherwise be forced to acknowledge their own repeated humiliation.

In developed cultures the differentiation between older women and younger is not so marked, and the responsibility for enforcing the cultural norms which keep women disempowered is shared amongst all women.

D'ya see where I'm going with this?"

I've seen a lot of enforcer behaviour on this thread as on all the others.

Is someone going to start yet another thread about this subject now? I'll chase you around if you do...

AuntieBranflake · 31/10/2008 13:16

JR's losing 1.5 million quid eh? Sigh.... I guess Christmas is going to be pretty bleak in the Ross household - he's only got another 16-odd million to spend now.[poor old JR emoticon]

Peachy · 31/10/2008 13:17

Oh fo goodness sake, the entire industry makes a fortune of anti men humour- Loose Women anyone? and we're all as bad here- I'm on the thread taking the piss out of Max Brannings appearance for a start. And then there's though aero adverts- if that was about women!

Should work equally both ways that is equality.

LittleBellaLugosi · 31/10/2008 13:18

Yes, if we lived in an equal society.

But we don't. Only hte most unenlightened people ever argue that we do.

Peachy · 31/10/2008 13:25

No we don't, but we won't get there by okaying some and not other bias. And that seems to be what is happening in this world.

And you know what? If I dress myself up like this woman (I am sorry I genuinely cant remember her name, othing else to be implied there)- and I have done as a teenager, I had a definitely dodgy line in clothing going on- then I need to expect some comeback because I myself am challenging societal norms.

This has not been ignored, it has been dealt with under employment procedures and a final warning given (have no idea- once you have taken that decision is it even legal to call someone back in and say 'ooops sorry changed my mind have the sack?). What they did was wrong, yes. But nobody died and nobied life was harmed in any significant way. The victims here were Mt Sachs- who sauid he was now happy with the outcome- and his Gran daughter who has made herself a name and a nice Christmas bonus from The Sun.