to be unbelievably annoyed by this twatting report??? May be upsetting!

[loudandproud]

I have been doing some reading up on the James Bulger case recently for a project we have been doing.

It's such a horrid case my heart really does go out to his family and friends.

But whilst trawling the many many stories and articles about it, I have found one that seems to be all in the anuimals who killed hims favour. It seems to be a case of well they were abused so yes thats what abused children do.

NO IT'S NOT! I worked with abused children for a while and never once have I heard any child or anyone working alongside saying they knew a child who had done something anything like this.

That poor child was tortured and left like a piece of meat to be cut in half by a train at 2Years old, but thats okayt becaus ethe killers were abused, I don't think so.

I do apologise if I am offending anyone by saying this but they lost the right to breath the day they did this perhaps they should have been put in a cell with a big tough cell mate see how they like being tortured, terrified and abused by someone who should know better.

ARGH am so sorry but had to vent.

thanks scottishmummy and Rhubarb.

I ask because a friend of mine was diagnosed with something which included narcissistic behaviours and a lack of empathy for other people. He has basically become very withdrawn and stopped answering my calls or answering his door to me all together. I have driven past him a few times and wondered about stopping but I am not sure he is willing to have me in his life even though we were great friends for a very long time.

yes you can have co-mordidity, in the way you can have angina and schizophrenia.what i mean is one does not necessarily equate the other.although of course one can have both

but a person with psychopathic tendencies will not necessarily experience psychosis, and vice versa

the AP banker was patrick bates

Donnie I agree this thread is horrible for sure

Rhubarb - there seems to be a lot of overlap between psychopathy and ordinary childish traits. Those boys were so very young, I am surprised that with your expertise you would be so ready to categorise them for life.

I was bullied badly as a child - almost daily torture, physical and emotional. The scars are a constant reminder. Those children seemed to enjoy it but I would be surprised if they did not go on to live normal lives, to grow up and develop empathy, form families and friendships like anyone else. It was at its worst when we were about 11 years old. Had I had a loving family they would perhaps have protected me, but I did not have that. I don't think what happened to me is necessarily that unusual, and it could have gotten even worse.

"Lord of the flies" chills the blood because we can all imagine it happening. I think that might be why this case has so much resonance. There seems to be a popular insistance that children are inherently sweet, and they are sometimes, but if they are not taught to behave properly they are capable of extraordinary cruelty.

Does anyone remember the genocide in Cambodia? And think it strange that the psychopaths involved were not held accountable? The Khmer Rouge who carried out the worst atrocities were children. Now people there just want to forget because so many have grown up with blood on their hands. The killing fields contain obvious remains of children as well as adults.

I read somewhere that people who commit these types of crimes often do not go on to have partners etc because of the fear of having to tell of what they have done.

I would imagine that any future partner couldn't be told anyway? As their whereabouts is unknown - telling any potential partner would be unpredictable and they might be likely to go to the press etc? Or is there some kind of embargo on the media publishing their whereabouts even if it is revealed to them?

yes UK press sanctions prevent revealling whereabouts same also for bellwho was forced to move on

mary bell rehabilitated and living anonymously

but yet when her book was published the press tracked her down didn't they?

Iirc her daughter knew nothing of who she was/what she had done until the publication of the book. Imagine finding that out.

yes as i said mary bell hounded from home

Slightly relieved to check back in and see that the rabid ones have been outnumbered, gives me some hope for society.

according to

this

the injunction applies only in England and Wales.

Presumably therefore the home office have done their job well, as i imagine that a paper somewhere would have leaked the info by now if it was available.

I never understand these threads. unless you say oh poor things they had it so hard, leave them alone, you are called names.
why are people not allowed a opioun(which I would love to spell)

Of course you are allowed an opinion. The trouble is that people who know something about this topic tend to not wish to kill or torture the children who tortured and killed Jamie Bulger and the people who don't do. Work that one out.

2shoes - expressing some opinions is unacceptable in any forum e.g. if they are racist, misogynistic etc.

Some of the posts on this thread have been extremely nasty, wishing pain and suffering on these boys because of what they did when they were children.

What "names" have people been called that are unacceptable to you?

but
they tortured and murdered a 2 year old, after taking him from his mother.
or did they not?

upwind.
thick springs to mind.
personally I don't wish pain or death on them I hope that living with their own "heads" will be punishment enough.
if they are the "poor" lads they are being made out to be, they will have a conscious and have to live with the evil they did for the rest of their lives.

Much as I am reluctant to engage with the type of people who dream and fantasise about skinning young children alive and watching them being murdered by a mob, I would like to point out that the reason Venables and Thompson were released under licence when they were is because when they reached 18 there was no option but to put them in an adult prison, where there would be none of the support that had helped them make what were apparently enormous positive changes, no education, no psychotherapy or other sensible rehabilitation. The opinion of the experts who had wrought these changes in the boys were very afraid that sending them to an adult prison would make all that work for nothing and cause damage. ie increase, not decrease the chance of them failing to go on to live a peaceful, useful life. Of course if you think that someone should be killed for something they did as a young child, then you will say, so what? But for sensible people, surely that is a compelling argument.

I agree that this is the wrong section of the forum to talk about this in. Imagine if the parents or some other relative were to open the thread up. I appreciate that you put a note that it could be upsetting, but that gives no indication as to just how upsetting the post could be to someone.

I study criminology also and the popular take does seem to be that children have wrongly been demonized since the murder. Yes, maybe its wrong to demonize all children based on the actions of 2 individuals but I share your stance that they had no excuse. Its too complex and wrong to debate it on here, IMO.

Children (in general) are cruel but not evil. Evil is a label. I know a 3 year old who pretended to "kiss" a baby and instead bit (and scarred) the baby on the nose. I am not sure at what age you develop full empathy though, it doesnt make that todder evil.

started reading this thread and wish i hadn't (yes I know the warning was in the title!), Only read first few posts.

Only posting to say this.. Can't begin to imagine how James family have coped or been able to carry on knowing what happened to their little boy or how the family of the other 2 boys have coped with the knowledge of what they did.

2shoesdrippingwithblood - I am confused. Do you think torturing and hurting people is ok or not?

Lord Woolf explaining exactly why they were released after eight years, and how remorseful they are

beanieb what a odd question, of course I don't. where did I say I did?

[[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1312388/The-long-and-painful-road-to-a-life-long-sense-of-r emorse.html 'a lifelong sense of remorse']

No - you didn't say that but you seemed to be agreeing with people who had the opinion that they should be punished in that kind of way.