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to be unbelievably annoyed by this twatting report??? May be upsetting!

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loudandproud · 09/10/2008 16:43

I have been doing some reading up on the James Bulger case recently for a project we have been doing.

It's such a horrid case my heart really does go out to his family and friends.

But whilst trawling the many many stories and articles about it, I have found one that seems to be all in the anuimals who killed hims favour. It seems to be a case of well they were abused so yes thats what abused children do.

NO IT'S NOT! I worked with abused children for a while and never once have I heard any child or anyone working alongside saying they knew a child who had done something anything like this.

That poor child was tortured and left like a piece of meat to be cut in half by a train at 2Years old, but thats okayt becaus ethe killers were abused, I don't think so.

I do apologise if I am offending anyone by saying this but they lost the right to breath the day they did this perhaps they should have been put in a cell with a big tough cell mate see how they like being tortured, terrified and abused by someone who should know better.

ARGH am so sorry but had to vent.

OP posts:
mamadiva · 09/10/2008 23:05

But surely 8 years isnt enough? If it was an adult done that they would have been facing atleast 15 years I reckon and they got compo of £10-13 each for what.

Oh here you go son happy 18th youve done something horrid but here walk free go get a pint and here have 10 grand? Yes justice has been done

SmugColditz · 09/10/2008 23:06

But this is why we do not allow the mothers of tortured children to decide what happens to the children who tortured and murdered their child.

This is why we have a complicated judicial system instead of a lynch mob.

believe me, tonight I feel like carrying out my own lynching. I am grateful to be alone with my children tonight, as a) they are here and unharmed and b) I can't go out and break the fucking law by petrol bombing someone's fucking face.

I'm bowing out, I should not be here. I'm drunk

orangehead · 09/10/2008 23:07

op, is this by any chance the seen question for ed209?

HRHSaintMamazon · 09/10/2008 23:07

mabanana - but didn't you know that a 10 year old should have a superior amount of compasion than an adult

Ronaldinhio · 09/10/2008 23:07

what?

serendippity · 09/10/2008 23:08

Personaly, if two 10 year olds murdered my daughter i am pretty sure i would want harm to come to them. Putting myself in JB's parents shoes i could see why they would want harm to come to them.
Quite simply to those saying "how could any adult wish harm apon a 10 year old?" i would say "If it were me whose 2 year old was tortured by them".

I can rationalize my feelings as it was not me (thank god) and the thought of harm coming to any child sickens me.
They were abused. I don't think any child is born evil but i do think children can become disturbed and deeply, deeply sick if enough awful things happen to them. Who knows, what happened to theese two may have been enough to do that. Becasue of this, although i wouldn't have wished them dead as children, I believe as adults they should not be free to live their lives normaly. If someone has done this kind of thing once, even as a child then there is a chance that it will happen again.
After all if a dog has seriously injured or killed a child, how many of you would happy to let that dog play with your children? how ever many years after the attack. You wouldn't. It is just not worth the risk.

barnsleybelle · 09/10/2008 23:08

Bed for me too... interesting discussion.

night night.....

bigdaddy1 · 09/10/2008 23:10

Mammamiadiva reading your comments and i know exactly what u mean xx

mabanana · 09/10/2008 23:11

I think people should read this. Not voyeuristic, violent, gory rabble rousing, but an interesting and thoughtful view from someone who was there at the trial and knows more about the case than any of us article by Blake Morrison

This paragraph really jumped out at me:
"Many commentators criticised their early release and the "leniency" of an eight-year-sentence. But reports of sentences passed at the same time as theirs make instructive reading. "Man who inflicted 23 fractures on a baby sent on anger-management course", for instance. Or "Father aged 44 jailed for seven years for killing his 15-month-old son". Is a middle-aged man who kills his own baby less culpable than a boy of 10 who kills someone else's baby? It seems we think so"

SmugColditz · 09/10/2008 23:11

It wasn't an adult who did it though, was it?

You can't use 'if it was an adult'. If an adfult had smeared shit up my walls I would knock his head off, should I do it to my two year old? Or just tell him off and clean it up? If an adult had bowled into me, nearly knocking me over, I would give him a right dressing down and publicly humiliate him - should I do that to a five year old? Or tell him to calm down now? If an adult lost his temper and shouted at a 10 year old that he was going to kick his head in I would call the police and possibly social services - should I do that to a 10 year old? Or tell him to stop being aggressive or lose his Playstation privileges?

The punishment must not only fit the crime, it must fit the perpetrator. You can't dish out whatever you feel like dishing out, or it just doesn't work. It must be appropriate for the level of responsibility the perpetrator is able to understand or it's all about you.

mamadiva · 09/10/2008 23:11

Aww barnseley off you go am okay fighting my own corner LOL.

I have an opin ion and so do you god forbid we do that

BUT they are adults now 26 years old I am younger than them so Im not a child killer.

I do not think they should walk the streets and anyway wouldnt give them the decent grace to top them will wait and let them do it themselves .

They will get whats coming to them one way or another its only a matter of time befiore someone slips up and then we will see. But they are men and should understand what they did and not hide behind the government and if sean walsh is robet thjompson cant wait to see how long he lasts. But amnyway level headed again dont like arguing when it involves such a tragedy it just gets me hot headed when peopel refuse to listen to others opinions.

mabanana · 09/10/2008 23:14

I honestly don't think any adult who fantasises about killing and torturing children - as people have done on this horrible, horrible thread - should consider they have any right to pass judgement on anyone else.

bigdaddy1 · 09/10/2008 23:14

they should be locked up or killed for what they id Draw the line and stop making excuses for these horible people ... Time will not make a difference and if people say they r stable now how quick is tht to change !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dittany · 09/10/2008 23:15

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mabanana · 09/10/2008 23:15

Actually, I hope that nobody I know in real life thinks like that. It is repulsive and abnormal.

Ronaldinhio · 09/10/2008 23:16

wrong decision + wrong decision = right decision?
horribly emotive but clouded by much much more than the facts of the case.

happy at least in the fact that this sort of thing is increadibly rare which in itself backs up the theory that it isn't by any means normal behaviour for a 10 year old.

Reiterate that my thoughts are with James and his parents and wish that I hadn't started speaking on a thread of this nature

mamadiva · 09/10/2008 23:16

So if it were god forbid your child you would be able to sit and say well 8 years is plenty?

A child is worth so much more than that.

If you kill anyone child or adult then there should be afixed tariff of atleast 15 years IMO. I dn't actually eblieve in rehab though (personal circumstances) so maybe 15 years isnt safe euither who knows.

bigdaddy1 · 09/10/2008 23:16

They should be locked up or Killed end of story !!!

edam · 09/10/2008 23:17

It is possible to think an injustice has been done without being part of a lynch mob. I don't want to harm Venables and Thompson but I do think they are dangerous, will continue to be dangerous, and did not serve an appropriate term of imprisonment.

HRHSaintMamazon · 09/10/2008 23:18

I have never argued with your right to hold your opinion Mamadiva. i have questioned it and debated the core points, but you have every right to hold and share yoru opinion.

For those who feel that they were released too soon, that they are living a "happy normal free life" do you really believe that?

Do you honestly believe that these boys are enjoying a happy free life? do you thik they could ever find a partner that they could be completly open with? do you beleive that they ever lay down at night and not worry that someone has discovered who they are?

they will never be free. they will forever see that little boy when they close their eye's and will forever be checking over their shoulder.

Of course this does not make up for the fact that James is gone.
but what will?

mabanana · 09/10/2008 23:19

Gosh, I am sure the trial would really have benefitted from your intelligent and thoughtful insights BigDaddy. Do stick around, we need some towering intellects around here
Goodnight. Have a lovely time sharpening your pitchforks and imagining how you'd torture children to death. You sound a lovely lot.

mamadiva · 09/10/2008 23:20

I don't want to kill them as I said I will wait patiently, they ahve to go one day nothing to do with me thats just how it goes.

They are 26 now and they should not be walking our streets hidden amongst us.

I am not arguing anymore on here it isnt for that.

bigdaddy1 · 09/10/2008 23:20

Least htey have a life !!!!!!! That poor little boy never got an oportunity at a propper life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Least they can lie awake or have a chance at so
me things poor James never and annyone who believes that these people suffer everyday needs to get sereousley checked !!!!!

VinegARGHHHTits · 09/10/2008 23:21

I live in the same town as the Bulger family, i have shopped in the same shopping center where he was taken, when he was buried i stood on the street outside the chuch among hundreds of people and morned him, i have seen a whole community crushed by this shocking tragedy, my ds1 was the same age as Jamie when this happened, i have walked past his mother many times on the street, seen the pain in her eyes, i cannot describe the unbelivable hurt that has swept across my town, and for many yers after, even now it still cuts like a knife to even hear Jamie Bulgers name. As far as i am concerned justice was never done. This thread has bought back so many horrible memories for me, i wish i had not read the op

mamadiva · 09/10/2008 23:22

Am I missing something or is a 26 year old man not a child? And I dont intend to kill anyone I am not a violent person but I just dont think they should have been treated so leniently in this case and I hope they do live a life of nightmares basically.

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