to be unbelievably annoyed by this twatting report??? May be upsetting!

[loudandproud]

I have been doing some reading up on the James Bulger case recently for a project we have been doing.

It's such a horrid case my heart really does go out to his family and friends.

But whilst trawling the many many stories and articles about it, I have found one that seems to be all in the anuimals who killed hims favour. It seems to be a case of well they were abused so yes thats what abused children do.

NO IT'S NOT! I worked with abused children for a while and never once have I heard any child or anyone working alongside saying they knew a child who had done something anything like this.

That poor child was tortured and left like a piece of meat to be cut in half by a train at 2Years old, but thats okayt becaus ethe killers were abused, I don't think so.

I do apologise if I am offending anyone by saying this but they lost the right to breath the day they did this perhaps they should have been put in a cell with a big tough cell mate see how they like being tortured, terrified and abused by someone who should know better.

ARGH am so sorry but had to vent.

measure of a liberal society is how it deals with crime abd dysfunction

the two boys thompson and venables were treated and assessed in secure settings by psychiatrist and MDT.

they had individualised care plans
regular ongoing psychiatric and psychological Ax
intensive rehabilitaion
therapy

so you know what take your huffing and puffing and extermist hang 'em high emotions
and consider rehabilitation and propensity for change

your post just another rabid rancid rant

what is your project for?which discipline?

one which might require bit more thought bit less knee jerk hang em flog em reaction i hope

Hurrah for reasonable people with reasonable minds. This thread seemed to degenerate into a "hang 'em' high" thread last night.

Well I don't think they were punished enough they had better lifes in Prison then they did before they killed James so what does that teach them.

pingping, well your comment teaches us that you are a highly ignorant individual.

Pingping - what do you think should have happened to them?

tosh,they were made to undergo rigorous and ongoing Ax and range of MDT therapies.

facing and taking responsibility for their individual behaviours and actions.deep psychological exploration

yes they had own room, PC,consumer durables.what do you recommend bread,water and a kicking?

they have undergone rehabilitation

and need complete anonimity to protect them from the odius views expressed here

Please note I don't think they should be killed I don't believe in an eye for an eye even though I wouldn't blame the mother of James for killing them.

I do not think that there Identity should be hidden at the cost of the tax payers maybe they should be moved abroad but I think people do have a right to know what these two are were capable of.

I can't imagine what it would be like for someone that was dating either of these two boys to find out who they are or the danger they may be if they did find out, In hiding their identity they are taking away someones freedom of choice I would never want to be with someone that killed a child espeically at the age of 10 and neither would I want a member of family to be involved with them.

they were taking to man utd games and holidays how is that a punishment

people do know what they were capable of.... they don't need to know where they live... why would they?

Do you really think that if they are dating someone or are even married with children of their own that their families and partners are indanger?

The right people know where they are and those people will be the people who have a duty of care towards them as adults since they were released.

do you believe individuals can change?rehabilitation.propensity for reflection and change?

that is why they were in secure settings.hopefully to imbue with different values, model appropriate behaviours

the need their anonnimity because of extermist views and potential for recriminations

Their, They're, There....

sorry - really bugs me!

BB I dont care to know where they live people dont know who they are know there Identity is hidden and yes I think that they may be a risk if one day there girlfriend wife etc found out they could be in danger as they wouldnt want that to come out

Beanieb, I don't know. When I did criminology the case was very fresh and the boys were still being assessed, but certainly in their interviews they showed very characteristic psychotic tendencies.

Whilst rehabilitation for this is difficult, as I said you can still be an active member of society.

I understand Ping's fears. Look at it this way, what if your daughter started dating one of them? Wouldn't you want to know that boy's history? Wouldn't you be worried about them having children? I know that they will always be in contact with the Police and certain members of Social Services, so I should imagine they would be encouraged to tell any future partner.

It would take a strong woman to know about their history and still give them a chance. But this is what a decent society does, it gives people chances. Those boys will never be let out of sight, so hopefully the chances of them committing another crime are very slim. But that's only because the case was so controversial. What about those offenders who disappear? Who are watching those people?

Almost all murderers are known to the Police. They've usually committed other crimes before resorting to murder. It's a fine line between giving them another chance and just being used as a doormat.

yes they had holidays,footy matches, community activity with staff. normalisation and positive risk taking to assess their abilities to cope and act appropriately

huff and puff all you want.get side tracked by fact the had dvd,pc etc but secure settings are not easy

they will continue to be monitored for rest of their lives (as they should be) double fold intention
1 - protect them
2 monitor behaviours be vigilant to any deterioration,recall if necesary

What kind of tendancies whould a phsychotic display? I'm really interested to know.

psychosis is an altered and impaired state of perception,behaviour and mood.characterised by inability to relate to others,impaired thought and cognition,lack of insight into one's condition,erratic behaviours.

hallucinations eg auditory,visual
delusions (falsely held belief)

can occur in post peureal psychosis
parkinsons
Korsakoffs

Looks like we all are going to disagree with each other regardless of how much rehab these boys have had the crime they committed is unforgiveable and I personally hope they live a long life scared and fearful that they will one day be found out.

Looks like we all are going to disagree with each other regardless of how much rehab these boys have had the crime they committed is unforgiveable and I personally hope they live a long life scared and fearful that they will one day be found out.

Well it's not psychotic so much as psychopathy. I suppose it's easy to get those two mixed up. If you are psychotic you are suffering a mental illness, much the same as schizophrenia. You are often cut off from reality and may have delusions. You don't really know what is real and what is not.

Psychopathy, which is probably the more correct term to apply in this case, is someone who simply doesn't have a conscience. They cannot empathise and find themselves detached from reality.

Oh look, I'll find the correct definition for you as my criminological knowledge is a little shaky now.

"The psychopath is defined by a psychological gratification in criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes. Using Freudian terminology, the psychopathic personality occurs when the ego can't mediate between the id and the super-ego, thus allowing the id to run off the pleasure principle, and the super-ego has no control over the actions of the ego. In other words, individuals with this disorder gain satisfaction through their antisocial behavior as well as lacking a conscience.

Psychopathy is frequently co-morbid with other psychological disorders (particularly narcissistic personality disorder). The psychopath differs slightly from the sociopath, and may differ even more so from an individual with an antisocial personality disorder diagnosis. Nevertheless, the three terms are frequently used interchangeably. While nearly all psychopaths have antisocial personality disorder, only some individuals with antisocial personality disorder are psychopaths. Many psychologists believe that psychopathy falls on a spectrum of pathological narcissism, ranging from narcissistic personality disorder on the low end, malignant narcissism in the middle, and psychopathy on the high end.

An almost all-pervasive misconception is that psychopaths are doomed to a life of violence and crime; however, it is possible for psychopaths to become successful in many lines of work. Psychopathy is frequently mistaken with other similar personality disorders, such as dissocial personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, and schizoid personality disorder (as well as others)."

Pingping, I can understand how you feel. But revenge solves nothing. I don't wish them any harm, but I am fearful about the chances of it happening again.

The state of their minds frightened the life out of me at the time. They were very very scary little boys. More so now they are adults.

psychotic and psychopath are two distinct unrelated diagnostic categories. recent resesarch proposed the prevalence of psychopathy underated in society, as indeed many who have psychopathic tendencies can and be and are functioning at approprite level, going unnoticed

everyone knows a workplace psychopath
superficially charming
good social veneer
bur ruthless, selfish, calculating
driven

I don't wish them no harm but I do hope they live in fear for themselves and the people they care about. Because sometimes the fear of something is worse than it actually happening.

They are related Scottishmummy. A psychopath will also suffer psychotic tendencies.

The term psychopath is the severe end of the spectrum. The bankers work colleagues you describe may be narcissists (feverently hopes she spelt that right!).

Remember that film, American Psycho was it called? The banker who killed people in his flat? That's basically psychopathic.

But I will admit, I did use the term psychotic in my posts when it should have been psychopathic.

loudandproud you deliberately started this thread to stir and cause trouble - don't pretend otherwise. It is so bloody transparent. And then you have the nerve to advise people to "think hard about starting any course or career in social work" - as if you are some expert in the field when it is glaringly obvious you are a dimwit in this regard.

Pointless and nasty thread, but you got what you wanted didn't you?