to think that men that buy Nuts, Loaded and the like are twats.....

[Twelvelegs]

I probably am, but I was judging one such moron flicking through the 'naked'/'lesbian'/'soap star porn shot' or whatever the main focus of whichever magazine it was and I felt like saying why not buy Razzle and be a bit more upfront about it all.

I want to go on a water slide !!!

IfYouDidntLaughYoudCry you wont win, trust me.

See now thats better, it's gone right down now cheers

'Lads Mags' are a relatively recent creation. My main objection is that they normalise soft porn. With the exception of page three, would you have seen people reading Playboy type magazines on a train or at their desk during their lunchbreak? It's seen as perfectly acceptable with Loaded etc.
My point about young female celebs posing for them is that it has also become the norm- in the past it might have damaged their careers but now their agents are chasing the magazines. These women aren't just on the pages of Loaded, they're also on the pages of magazines like Heat which (as people have mentioned) are read by a lot of girls/women.

Strippers used to be a stag night thing, and now most cities have fully nude, full contact (by the dancer) lap-dances.

I'm not a crusader and I don't think that the magazines are evil. I just despair that after so long fighting for equality, we have little girls with Jordan as a role model and women having vaginoplasty because they don't have the porn-star ideal vulva.

Ok so maybe this boils down to the people we've met because the vast majority of misogynists I've met seem to be women. You know what I mean, the bitching, the commenting when some new girl walks into a room. It happens less as I get older but it happens. I have never known a man to make someone uncomfortable based upon, well nothing.

And these 'nice guys' I refer to? Well I do know their girlfriends. Their standards aren't low. They're clever, well-rounded females who can just look beyond the fact that a man might look at a few pictures before they cast judgement on their entire personality.

If we're going to talk about women in mags being degraded/exploited you need to know their personal reasons for doing so. Some might do it for the wrong reasons, I think a lot do it for the money.

Loaded has been in production for 14 years now.

I know. It was launched as a part of the 'lad-culture' it's not sexist it's post-modern thing in the 90s. Porn has been around for over 2000 years. 14 is recent by comparison.

"women having vaginoplasty because they don't have the porn-star ideal vulva."

how would they know, only men watch porn and all women hate it. well thats what i keep getting told on here

blimey, fhm has been running since 1985!

It also has the best articles Misdee

Loaded went down hill when all the good writers left for another mag, may have been ~FHM cant recall.. was years ago

lol combustable. have u read the true stories bits in there? pmsl

loads of ads of scantily clad males as well. andf this months one hasa lovely shot of jason statham

I don't hate it. I don't like it either.

I've never figured that out either Fatbob- are they freeze-framing them? It is a real trend though.

"The number of men paying for sex in the UK has doubled in the past ten years "

yeah we all know hookers keep records and file them with the goverment so they can do like reports and stuff... lol

My (male) housemates bought it when I was a student. They read out some of the stories. I never touched it though because I knew what they bought it for [sticky pages]

Fatbob - I don't want to win. I'm just discussing an issue.

The mags might have an effect on the men ie. erections, that isn't necessarily a bad effect.

Men who care about that stuff are knobs then. That's fine. I'm just pointing out the fact they're not knobs based on the criteria that they read FHM/Nuts etc.

No the women aren't airbrushing them but women are falling for the standards being set.

Combustible - I agree with your point about role models these days and yes, I will admit that maybe I didn't appreciate that before.

I just think that women have got a responsibility in this issue also.

i was not talking to you Dittant FACT

The normalising of prostitution is the next logical step- lap dancing seems to be accepted as a mainstream 'laddish' thing already.

IfYouDidntLaughYoudCry you would be better of going outside i throwing you're shoes in the air trying to move the coluds than discussing this issue with some people here, thats all im saying

YANBU I think only sad desperate men read them or men who see women as objects. I wouldn't object if there were normal women in them but they are generally women who have been moulded (and often cut and stuffed with silicone) into a certain image. Not good for women or men/young boys IMO. I agree with the poster who said these mags ' normalise soft porn'. I worry for my DDs. No generation before has been subjected to bombardment with multiple pics of how we 'should' look (according to me of course) or how we need to improve ourselves (often compared with fake/airbrushed and unattainable pics anyway). The sad thing is that girls often feel that they are defined by their looks. This is very sad IMO and these trashy mags don't help. Let's see more real men and women of all ages if we are going to have anything.