to find a man who coudlnt drive UTTERLy unattractive

[NotCod]

and rather pathetic

yadaydayd meddical expcetiosn etc

just skimmmed some of this, and am rather with UQD.....unevolved yes, to find that a bloke who can't drive and has no intent on ever driving to be unattractive for it.

Threadie, how odd. The classes thing, and walks in near but not walkable-to Epping Forest, was huge factor in forcing me to learn. It's only in the last month, since I passed, that we've been doing ballet/drama classes - 40 mins walk/6mins car - which they absolutely love.

Bizarrely, having been terrified of learning, I absolutely LOVE city driving (not quite up to the Norht Circ yet).

I do the arm on the headrest thiing. I do the drumming on the roof thing. I start the car and pull off immediately (checking blindspot obviously, if you're reading, John the Examiner).

I am becoming my own object of desire

UQD: so you think I wasn't being the teeniest bit ironic when I said that a man without a car was a man without a penis?

Methinks you have been revealed as a man with no sense of humour, which is arguably even less sexy than being unable to drive.

Now, a man on a black steed really would be sexy. Especially if he were wearing long boots and carrying a whip.

NotCod, thank you for this thread.

not read whole thread

agree with OP

Nowt as sexy as a man's strong forearm, changing gear firmly and decisively

Pan, I don't think it's really un-evolved. The less independent people are, the less attractive they are, in general, no?

I agree that this arg breaks down when people are constitutionally outward-bound/politically-committed to no fossil fuels.

But in general, I think it holds.

yes, but my friend, and others are "independent" of cars, for very intelligent reasons....having a car encourages a near-foetal dependency on it, as if life would unbearable without it. Of course, some people don't have much of a choice in less-well served areas transport wise.

But to consider not driving per se is revealing a pretty unevolved notion of what is attractive and what isn't. Strong forearms changing gear and all of that bollocks for eg. swooning over the "power" involved?? IN changing gear? Deceisively? Ha!!

Oh, anyone who is utterly wet about getting themselves about without a car is the epitome of un-independent!

I drive, DP doesn't, we are both excellent at getting ourselves around any bit of he world by allsorts of means - I really don't think you can discern anything about anyone's character from whether they can drive or not! Not without the ort of mad generalisation that wou;ld have everyone hiuffing and puffing if it were about anything else!

Not driving IS utterly unattractive

Being obsessed about cars is ALSO utterly unattractive

Yeah that's a bit much.

It's easy not to want a car when you don't have to struggle to get on a bus with a pram.

And if you are a man struggling to get on a bus with a pram, you are treated as a conquering hero. If you are a woman doing the same, you are treated as a war criminal.

But Jeremy Clarkson is deeply, deeply unattractive. As is that twat James May and that other twat who nearly killed himself whose name escapes me at present.

I think between them in the last decade, they have promoted the utter infantilisation of men with regard to cars. They are such knobs and if cars didn't exist, they woudl be doing a programme about how high they could get their pee to reach.

LOL at Tescos and Gaviscon

Have a vision of your DH as Scott of the antarctic in search of gaviscon Hatrick

(sorry, am taking the piss, but it's just the way you phrased it...)

This has got to be the wierdest thread ever....is it a full moon? Do people really, seriously care that much whether someone drives or not?

There probably is an analogy to be made with sex.

The Jeremy Clarksons who pride themselves on road holding and their FANTASTIC driving - if they are the same in bed - wouldn't that just be horrific?

Now back to the non-drivers. Are they like erm virgins?

Dottoressa - I didn't even see that comment.

themoon I think is a frustrated Mills & Boon writer. Sturdy forearm indeed.

I still find it amusing that people have these very limited notions of "dependence" and "independence." As Pan says, there is such a thing as independence from the car. Oddly enough, it has only been around for 100 years. And Big Strong Men have been around a lot longer than that.

(Did you get Victorian women swooning in this daft way over men in carriages versus men on foot?!)

independent yes. but less effective, hatrick.
You wanted the gaviscon sooner, rather htan later.

Scenario: (this only works if you drive, dp doesn't)

MNer: Aiiyee! I've broken my foot, DP! How are we going to get me to hospital, stuck here as we are in hiker's heaven, but broken-footed hiker's hell (Snowdonia or somesuch)
DP: erm... I'll go and get some kindling. I'll place it on the mountainside, in the shape of HELP!. I'm sure the air-rescue people will be along shortly. Children can survive for some time exposed on a mountainside, can't they?

OR

DP: Hold on darling, I'll just inch you carefully into the passenger seat. Children, buckle up!

But I have to share with you the fact that, when I was googling Segways, I found an image of someone that I went out with 15 years ago riding one!! and he was bitch riding (or whatever Swedes shocking phrase was) with someone else on the thing!!!

I am practically vomiting with the freakiness of this fact.

onebat - in your scenario you'd be nowhere near the sodding car anyway.

OK UQD

Jesus DP, someone just stabbed me in waitrose. Not badly, just in the foot. How am I going to get to A and E .. etc etc..

aren't you amazed by my Segway ex-bf?

I'd call an ambulance. It'd be there quicker than I could drive you. And with less mess.

I had to look up what a Segway was. They look quite fun.

I rest my case.

Well, you rest it not proven then!

As for any analogies with sex, I expect one can make an equal case for those of us who are not consumed with car-worship actually saving up our testosterone for where it matters.

onebat... link to your ex riding bitch on segway please.