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Need to vent- sister smoked throughout pregnancy and now baby is in special care.

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ILikeYourSleeves · 29/09/2008 16:35

I wasn't sure where to post this and it's probably a vent rather than an AIBU but I have been thinking about this all weekend and need to vent somewhere. My sister had a baby girl on Saturday (her first) and she is unfortunately in the special care ward in an incubator She stopped breathing when she was born and had to be resuscitated and had oxygen for the first day of her life. She is also having to be fed through a tube and has a drip. She is getting better but I feel so sorry for the wee lamb and the difficult start she has had. I am obviously aware that it's a difficult time for my sister, she is separated from her baby and is worried if she will be OK. But I guess I am posting here due to the many mixed emotions I am feeling as my sister smoked heavily throughout her pregnancy. I can't help but wonder if the baby is having breathing and lung problems because of the smoking and that's making me feel pretty angry towards my sister. She said she was going to give up when she found out she was PG but she didn't, despite me trying to encourage her, pointing out the risks etc. Yes I totally understand it's an addiction (I am an ex-smoker myself from years ago) but to still smoke when PG really gets me. I spoke to her about it again only a few weeks ago as she said she didn't think she would breastfeed because she would still be smoking when the baby is here (!), and I asked her if she actually wanted to quit to which she said 'no'. I find that quite unbelieveable, it's not that she wants to quit but can't, but more that she enjoys smoking and doesn't actually want to stop.

What really got me I think though was that after we gazed at the little baby (also low birthweight & 2 weeks early) covered in wires and tubes, and having a tube forced up through her nose and down her throat, my sister and her bloke then went outside the maternity ward for a fag.

I didn't say anything to her despite screaming inside as I know she has so much on her plate anyway with her baby being so poorly, but aararrrarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!! I just think it's very selfish and would have thought that seeing your baby all hooked up would be enough to make you think it's really time to quit. Yes she will be stressed and is perhaps using cigs to cope but I am so angry- AIBU???? I'm sure some of you will think I need to butt out and keep my opinions to myself but fair enough if an adult wants to kill themselves with fags but when you see a tiny defenseless baby who can't have that choice, well it's truly awful. They are going to keep smoking at home too despite SIDS research.

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jesuswhatnext · 29/09/2008 17:13

if you mean me bubbla, i'm not 'attacking' anyone, i do feel sorry for the woman, to have a sick child is about the worst thing i could imagine, however, we are ALL educated about the dangers of exposing babys to smoking and if she is now feeling guilty, tough, she chose to smoke, this may well be the consiquence or her decison.

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combustiblelemon · 29/09/2008 17:26

If she didn't listen during pregnancy she's not going to start now. Bite your tongue or go and scream on a hillside. Then go and try to mitigate any more damage by trying to get her to smoke outside or at least in a room the baby doesn't go into.

Firepile · 29/09/2008 17:29

I'm really sorry to hear about your niece - it must be a really worrying time for all of you - including your sister.

However, if she wants to breastfeed, she shouldn't be put off because she smokes - the toxins in tobacco smoke don't really pass through breastmilk, and she and her babies would get the health benefits of breastfeeding.

Goes without saying that YANB(entirely)U, to be angry. But the worst thing would be to get angry with her. That's likely to make her extremely defensive, and resistant to any messages about things that she can do to reduce the future risks to your DN, like never smoking indoors.

Depressingly, research has repeatedly shown that the parents of children who are already ill are no more likely to have smoke free homes than those whose children are apparently healthy.

bubblagirl · 29/09/2008 17:30

i didnt blame anyone for attcking but said this will become a thread about attacking her sister when until the babies out of the woods i think it should stay put

i would be so mortified to know there is a whole thread of people telling me im a bad mum shouldnt have achild etc her baby is still in serious condition a small amount of compassion is needed right now regardless to what we think is right or wriong my heart goes out to her right now

im not saying people cannot have an opinion but im tending to just feel sorry for her regardless of if its her fault she is at a tough place at the moment

i know what it feels like to be blamed for having something wrong with your child not smoking related mind you but its not nice and its heartbreaking to think peiople blame you

i dont agree with smoking in pregnancy have said this but i just feel she doesnt need this but she needs support from her family

chipmonkey · 29/09/2008 17:51

ILikeYourSleeves, I could have posted your post exactly 16 years ago! My niece was born 3 weeks early weighing 4.3 lb. My dsis had smoked all the way through her pregnancy. Unfortunately my dsis has never kicked the habit, though she has tried several times. She did in fairness cut her smoking right down when pregnant but couldn't manage to cut it out altogether.

My niece is now a beautiful, clever 16 year old and very anti-smoking!

Treeny · 29/09/2008 17:52

Agree of course that smoking in pregnancy is a v bad idea, but would be reluctant to jump to conclusion that the baby's current situation is a direct result of the mother smoking.

I have never smoked, but DD1 had to spend time in SCBU with breathing problems after she was born. She was soon doing fine.

I think it would be a bad idea to even hint to your sister that you are blaming her for the baby being in special care. But it's a horrible idea that she plans to keep smoking around the baby when she takes her home.

QuintessentialShadow · 29/09/2008 17:56

I echo Jesuswhatnext.

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By ephrinedaily on Mon 29-Sep-08 17:00:52
My God. Are you dying to say I told you so or something? Do you feel all superior and secretly justified now?

  • That is the most discustingly unhelpful post I have read in a while. OP is clearly upset at her nieces health.
cory · 29/09/2008 18:04

I understand that you are upset, but the very best thing you can do for your sister (and therefore for your niece) is to put all the thoughts of what might have caused it out of your head.

After all, you don't know, it may have been the smoking, it may have been something else.

Just concentrate on what you can do and say to help, and try to keep your thoughts as something separate from that.

beanieb · 29/09/2008 18:06

Your poor sister. I imagine at this time she needs support not judgement.

sarah293 · 29/09/2008 18:08

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helpfulornot · 29/09/2008 18:17

YABU, the smoking may have contributed or it may not. She'll never know but will have the guilt for the rest of her life.

Be kind to her, maybe this will encourage her not to smoke next time, and hopefully next time too the little one won't be in special care.

Hugs to the little one...

Onestonetogo · 29/09/2008 18:20

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scaredoflove · 29/09/2008 18:28

I know someone who had a horrific birth, placental abruption and very very emergency cs a few weeks early. Child was left with brain damage. She was a smoker

She successfully sued her hospital and both sides agreed smoking was of no consequence. The hospitals solicitors would have jumped on it, if it had been a factor

You necessarily blame smoking on this situation

I'm a non smoker btw

Smoking causes low birthweight and early birth in some babies, so of course everyone should try to give up or at the very least cut down. I do think they should smoke outside when baby comes home though

Just try to support them, the best you can.

Onestonetogo · 29/09/2008 18:37

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freakypenguin · 29/09/2008 18:41

i don't think you're being unreasonable at all

monkeymonkeymonkey · 29/09/2008 18:43

Even if the babies mum is going to be smoking it is still better for the baby to be breastfed.

onager · 29/09/2008 18:44

Those who think it is automatically and certainly her own fault must believe that it always has this effect. So back when nearly everyone smoked and certainly everyone was exposed there were no normal births. Obviously not true or none of us would be here.

jesuswhatnext, don't worry about not giving the poor woman any sympathy. I'm sure you need it more than she does anyway.

cazboldy · 29/09/2008 18:47

Have the hospital said anything to her about going off to smoke?

Wishing your dear baby neice lots of luck xx

noolia · 29/09/2008 18:47

So sad. YANBU but you do need to be careful, your sister must be feeling awful. They really should stop though.

ILikeYourSleeves · 29/09/2008 18:52

I think people here seem to think I am blaming my sister entirely for her babys ill health, that is NOT the case and of course we are all worried about the baby and hope she is fine (she seems to be getting better each day which is great). I know there can obviously be other factors involved but I think that smoking has not helped the situation either. Of course I would never say anything to my sister, I am not going to 'attack' her or blame her or make her feel 1000x worse than she does, I totally understand that she will be stressed and upset. I just wanted to use this forum to vent like I said originally. I am giving my sister as much support as I can, I have not mentioned a thing about smoking and I am trying to reassure her that her baby will be totally fine. And no I am not 'secretly feeling superior and justified' for God sake, do you think I want to see my niece ill so I can say 'I told you so'? Please give me some credit. I just needed to vent, perhaps my way of dealing with the stress. I feel for my sister but the smoking thing still really gets me, I just hope they can give up if it might affect the baby in future.

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hambo · 29/09/2008 18:52

YANBU
I would feel exactly the same as you.

ephrinedaily · 29/09/2008 18:52

And her sister is very upset at her daughter's health, QS. Yet at this time of need OP is posting on AIBU about her own need to vent her anger at her sister. She is not posting for help on other boards such as health or childbirth is she? She's slagging off her sister. I would echo what Bubblagirl has said.

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