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to think we would be better off in, a communist society, wealth should be shared

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IAMJIGSAW · 22/08/2008 13:11

doesn't seem right some folk have so much and some have next to nothing.

what do you think?

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squiffy · 23/08/2008 12:25

Cuba nearly worked, in economic/societal terms. But the price for equality is the requirement that all submit to the process. When you don't you end up with politics and free speech issues.

IMHO humans have always followed the principles of survival of the fittest (natural selection) and political models will fall in and out of fashion over time (just like our current one will seem twee at some point in the future). The constant is that the fittest will survive and lead, will guide the world in the mannere that most protects people like them, and will use whatever weapons are to hand (be it poverty, limits to education or medicine, religion, drugs, materialism, freedom of speech restrictions, hell, even Heat magazines go in that bucket) to protect their way of life for their kind. Stuff like altruism and charity and empathy are luxuries that are indulged in only when societies can afford to indulge. They ebb and wane like everything else(as seen during ethnic cleansing tragedies which repeat again and again throughout history). Read animal farm yes, but also read darwin. We are a species that evolves via natural selection. If we went to war tomorrow you would shoot your best friend if it meant getting milk for your baby. We just like to kid ourselves that we are more evolved than that now...

And if you accept that then it is difficult to see how you can sustain a communist society in it's theoretical form for any period of time. People aren't born equal, and at some point the people born fitter want a bigger share of the pie.

mrsruffallo · 23/08/2008 12:36

We need an alternative way of life, but I don't think that communisn is necessarily the answer.

I can't bear snobbery and materialism, or he wasteful way many of us live, or the directionless dole-ites.

I say bulid more trees and allotments and we all grow our own veg to start with!

Also no one allowed in a car own their own-must be car sharing

I could go on

misi · 23/08/2008 12:43

the communist doctrine is the destruction of the family. would you be happy for the state to rear your children?
if you read marx and engels and the communist manifesto, it says that the family unit is the enemy of the state and children should be raised by the village (community/state). in russia and ukraine etc, the family unit is still trying to recover after 70 years of communism and they have many social problems in those countries (similar to ours over here strangely enough????) in the early years, it was common for children to be taken away from its parents to be educated by the state and many parents never saw their kids again till they werer much older. there are benefits to the communist state but there are many more reasons it doesn't work and the myth of wealth sharing was just that, a total myth, it never worked and it never will. it was the continual collapse of the economy and the lack of abilty to grow enough food for themselves that brought soviet russia down. in the 50's, 60's 70's if the US had cut off its grain supplies to russia that were keeping it afloat, russia would have collapsed there and then but would have more than likely caused war, so it was only western capitalism that enabled communism to survive for so long. If you look at china now, communism didn't work and wealth sharing has failed miserably, sharing wealth actually makes the country poorer and the people suffer more so they have turned to a form of capitalism that those in power are now reaping huge rewards for in wealth, yet 50% of the chinese population are earning less than £2.50 per day but the government has somehow managed to spend £20bn on the olympics,

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