in thinking that the word 'chav' is an overused and lazy term to describe anything we feel is vulgar ?

[MaryAnnSingleton]

it annoys me that it's applied so often on mumsnet

ah that is cultural phenomenon and not race.race is ascribed to physical characteristics not cultural

Yes I i know what it means, basically that race is something we have invented ourselves as a society which will inevitably create divisions. However, I have used slightly more layman's terms.

I started a thread about this a while back and it was quite interesting (well I thought so anyway). zippi and a few others pretty much convinced me that 'chav' is sometimes used as a self-identifier in RL, and that not everyone who uses it about themselves regards it as an insult. Also, there are quite a lot of instances of people like Chelsy Davy being referred to as 'chavs', so it does seem to have transcended its class origins in some ways.

However, on MN I think it tends to be used pretty straightforwardly as a shorthand for 'white trash yobs with whom I do not wish to associate myself'.

Oh and I think scottishmummy's posts are perfectly easy to understand.

well if you know what it means, then i really can't understand why you're giving SM a hard time about it. unless you think that all MNers are a great deal stupider than you?

FFS I only fucking asked if you were a lawyer, take it as a bloody compliment. Christ what is the bloody problem.

I asked her if she was a lawyer because of the wording she uses and now you are all on my back thinking I insulted her. If someone asked me that I think I would take it as a compliment. I'm going to bed now thanks, before I say something I shouldn't

sim you made a lame inane attempt at sarcasm, belittling my syntax and choice of words

if it were meant as a compliment, i'm rather surprised that wasn't your response when SM queried it tbh. don't worry about it overly, but it looked like quite a bitchy couple of posts to me. we're all just typing here, maybe you've just been misunderstood?

I DID NOT BELITTLE YOU! . It was not lame or inane. Oh and of course you are NEVER sarcastic are you .

Believe me I will not be worrying about it exterminatich.

good-oh. no point getting all angry about it either.

I have just re read my posts from where I quite nicely asked if she was a lawyer. Can't quite see why you would all think I was being bitchy. However, I will say, and this is my entitled opinion, I do find scottishmummys posts rather, lets say patronising or condescending.

But lets just leave it at that shall we. We all have our opinions on things, that is what after all leads to these interesting discussions.

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condescending?Moi
Patronising?Non?

lol. she was just answering a question, to be fair. i think it was the that swung it.

ah, you two know each other of old...

whats an emo?
ive never heard of this before??

No I don't know either of you, quite a new MN user actually. Will keep my gob shut from now on, wouldn't want to be accused of being a bitch!

Emo. Had Rod Hull's hand up it's arse. Likes My Chemical Romance.

LOL M7

what?
whats Chemical Romance? a band?

Thanks for the reply ScottishMummy. Perfectly understood, especially as all written in plain (if, um, let's say, er a little complicated for some...). It's what I thought. However, twice in recent weeks i've been called racist for insulting a Scottish Fanjo for being a fanjo in a call centre (sim...that's c**t to you).

If you are half scottish and half English I think that makes you Alan Hansen.

If newbies want to join in, then a general tone of equality should be given. The excellent answer to my question was provided clearly and concisely, which I appreciated. Because it was complex, and only to some, says nothing about anything other than an excellennt grasp of English. The fact that nobody would have understood it if it was said out loud because it's the Queens English, rather than the Queens Scottish, is neither here nor there.

I want an EMO lawn.

Cuts itself.

Just before I retire for the evening, going back to the original post, the word vulgar is great, and it's not used enough anymore. It's drips disdain. The baddies in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang are all from Vulgaria, which was just so Fleming. Book by Ian Fleming, screenplay by Roald Dahl, no wonder it was such a winner.

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