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To be getting annoyed about my friend hoping I’ll pay for everything.

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FriendOrFunder · Yesterday 23:27

I’m in my early 30s, as is my best friend. We met at uni and have been close for years. She was my MOH. We’ve supported each other through break-ups and family issues, and spent lots of time together before I had children. We’re very different, but have always got on well.

For context, we both did a very competitive course at one of the world’s top 10 universities. I wanted a good education and career, but was also quite traditional. I wanted to meet someone ambitious, marry and have a family. I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of why I chose that course and university. She was much more career-first and independent, very much “I don’t need a man”. Marriage and children weren’t priorities, and she saw uni as the start of a big career.

I’m now married with three children under six and we’re fortunate to be very comfortable financially. My husband works in the family business and I don’t currently need to work. My friend is career-focused and works extremely hard. She and her boyfriend are doing well, but have less financial security and family support.

I’m starting to feel there’s an assumption I’ll pay for things, or contribute more, because I’m better off. If she comes to ours for dinner or a takeaway, she might bring a packet of biscuits from the local shop, if anything. Fine. But if I go to hers, she’ll order a takeaway for everyone and assume I’ll pay half. “That’s £60, we’ll go halves, ok?” This isn’t discussed beforehand. It’s not really about the amount. It’s that she assumes I’ll contribute to something she’s chosen, whereas there’s no equivalent expectation when she comes to mine. I’ve actually tried to address it a bit more recently. The last time she came to ours for a takeaway, I suggested we split the cost, rather than just ordering everything and me picking up the bill. She seemed a little taken aback and made a comment along the lines of “Oh, I’m not actually that hungry”. For context, she is also not poor, they holiday 4-5x per year (but perhaps whilst keeping it budget friendly), they have savings and own a decent flat.

It happens with days out with the children too. If we go to a pumpkin patch, for example, there’s often an assumption I’ll cover the costs. My children may be the main reason we’re going, but it’s still assumed rather than discussed. Gifts are another example. I asked what she wanted for her 30th and she said afternoon tea at the Ritz for the two of us. For my birthday, she gave me an inside-joke present that presumably cost around £20–30.

I don’t want to pay more just because I have more money, or have my husband’s earnings treated as a reason I should subsidise her. I’m not expecting her to spend beyond her means. I’m happy to choose cheaper activities or order separately. I just don’t want an unspoken expectation that I’ll contribute more.

It’s even noticeable in small things. We’ll go for wine at the local pub and, when it’s time to pay for the first round (she knows there usually isn’t a second), she’ll suddenly need the loo, answer an urgent text or look away.

AIBU to find this irritating? Should I accept it because I’m more comfortable financially, or is it reasonable to expect her not to make assumptions about my money?

OP posts:
Swmk · Today 08:45

While you allow it, it will continue.

DeutscheBahnTicket · Today 08:46

It doesn't matter that your husband pays for everything. He is obviously choosing to and must think you bring something to his life and your family life (and I am sure you do - if wives were paid fairly for their work at home, we'd all be rich).

Anyway, obviously, your 'friend' is using you. Some people are like this. A CF friend of a friend does this to my friend. The CF is LOADED and my friend is barely getting by but the CF coerces him into paying for so much stuff. They aren't friends anymore as it wasn't really a friendship as much as a cash grab

ItsMeee00 · Today 08:46

She’s absolutely taking the mickey, you know it and so does she, she’ll carry on doing it unless you put a stop to it.

the7Vabo · Today 08:51

DeutscheBahnTicket · Today 08:46

It doesn't matter that your husband pays for everything. He is obviously choosing to and must think you bring something to his life and your family life (and I am sure you do - if wives were paid fairly for their work at home, we'd all be rich).

Anyway, obviously, your 'friend' is using you. Some people are like this. A CF friend of a friend does this to my friend. The CF is LOADED and my friend is barely getting by but the CF coerces him into paying for so much stuff. They aren't friends anymore as it wasn't really a friendship as much as a cash grab

And marrying a man for his money isn’t using him or a cash grab? Presumably the DH isn’t aware that OP was making damn sure she married a man with certain means.

FunPartyIdeas · Today 09:11

Perhaps the OP should just be friends with other SAHMS with rich husbands and then problem solved? They can just spend their money?

FunPartyIdeas · Today 09:13

DeutscheBahnTicket · Today 08:46

It doesn't matter that your husband pays for everything. He is obviously choosing to and must think you bring something to his life and your family life (and I am sure you do - if wives were paid fairly for their work at home, we'd all be rich).

Anyway, obviously, your 'friend' is using you. Some people are like this. A CF friend of a friend does this to my friend. The CF is LOADED and my friend is barely getting by but the CF coerces him into paying for so much stuff. They aren't friends anymore as it wasn't really a friendship as much as a cash grab

I'm a wife but not a stepford one so I work and my husband shares an equal amount of housework and childcare. I value his contribution 😀

abracadabra1111 · Today 09:14

FunPartyIdeas · Today 01:12

How are you paying if you don't work? Do you mean your husband is paying for her?

They have family money. It’s not unusual for those who are financially compatible.

TheBlueKoala · Today 09:15

@FriendOrFunder She sounds like a CF but I can understand why she's your friend. You are both opportunistic so to speak

BMW6 · Today 09:16

Well I think being selective when choosing potential husbands and fathers of your children is to be applauded rather than sneered at!

She knows full well what she's doing OP. I'd tell her that it's pissing you off so she can either pack it in or end the "friendship".

FunPartyIdeas · Today 09:18

abracadabra1111 · Today 09:14

They have family money. It’s not unusual for those who are financially compatible.

But it's her husband's money so she should ask him first if it's OK for him to spend it on her friend?

Highlightsnomore · Today 09:19

It’s nice to be generous if you have more available but that is spoiled as soon as it becomes expected.

DeutscheBahnTicket · Today 09:19

FunPartyIdeas · Today 09:13

I'm a wife but not a stepford one so I work and my husband shares an equal amount of housework and childcare. I value his contribution 😀

I also work, but I can see how women who don't work actually work a lot.

It isn't a tribe or sports team where if you work you cannot possibly understand or support women who don't.

DeutscheBahnTicket · Today 09:21

the7Vabo · Today 08:51

And marrying a man for his money isn’t using him or a cash grab? Presumably the DH isn’t aware that OP was making damn sure she married a man with certain means.

He is most likely aware and still thinks her contribution balances it out.

I didn't do the same as op. I am of the "marry for money and you'll earn every penny" persuasion though. It isn't my choice but it isn't taking advantage of poor menz either.

45fh · Today 09:24

PollyBell · Today 03:30

Stepford?

It worked for Kate Middleton, why not us lesser mortals?!

AnneLovesGilbert · Today 09:28

She’s a cheeky mare. Stop funding her.

AngelinaFibres · Today 09:29

Paradoes · Yesterday 23:30

She is a user. She is aware. How valuable is the friendship to you?

This. You think she's a friend. She thinks you are useful. I'm 61 and over the years I've ditched everyone like this.

Chocolateistheanswer26 · Today 09:32

If you enjoy her company and don't want to stop meeting up with her, pick pubs/restaurants which have QR codes on the tables for ordering. That way you can tell her you are both ordering for yourselves. She will either have to suck it up and pay or say something and you can then say you can't keep paying for everything when you go out. She'll soon get the message and the friendship will either survive or fall by the wayside.

MagicThanks · Today 09:34

I would die of shame, I don’t know how people do it

FunPartyIdeas · Today 09:35

DeutscheBahnTicket · Today 09:19

I also work, but I can see how women who don't work actually work a lot.

It isn't a tribe or sports team where if you work you cannot possibly understand or support women who don't.

As a feminist (not in the "feminism but only when it suits me" camp) I don't agree with women not working. I respect their decision of course but wouldn't chose to be friends with a SAHM and they likely wouldn't want to be friends with me!
Perhaps this OP is best to associate herself with women also with rich husbands?

Soreenmaltloaf23 · Today 09:35

The only thing you can do here is have an honest conversation. Please can we make sure we take it in turns with drinks, split bills 50/50 etc. as I feel I'm paying more at the moment. I would also scale back on gifts. Stop asking what she would like and match her spending. You might lose a friend or at least make it awkward for a while but she isn't treating you well. She has got too comfortable with your money and friendship assuming it will always be there.

the7Vabo · Today 09:39

DeutscheBahnTicket · Today 09:21

He is most likely aware and still thinks her contribution balances it out.

I didn't do the same as op. I am of the "marry for money and you'll earn every penny" persuasion though. It isn't my choice but it isn't taking advantage of poor menz either.

If you target a man for his money and say as much to your friend, you can’t get on your high horse about her using you. They are as bad as eachother.

And that phrase is old fashioned nonsense. The OP has done very well from this marriage as was the plan, and not only that, she feels superior about it.

And maybe when OP stood in front of DH and said “for richer, for poorer” the poor sod actually believed her! And yes I do feel sorry for him, as I would for a woman whose DH targeted her for her earning power to give himself an easy life. That’s not a partnership, that’s using someone.

Shinyandnew1 · Today 09:52

She sounds like a user to me; do you actually want to carry on seeing her?

If you do, then set boundaries. Arrange to meet her inside places if possible -meet you at the pumpkin farm, we’ll be by the gift shop, see you there.

When you both go to the bar, if she NEVER gets you a drink, bite the bullet and just get your own.

If she invites you round to hers. Ask her in advance what the plan for food is. Shall we go halves on a takeaway? If she says she’s not hungry, say ‘ok I’ll eat first and come to you at 7.30’.

If you eat out, ask the waitress to split the bill.

I’d seeing her less and NOT over meal times though.

100 replies in, what are your thoughts, @FriendOrFunder

yelpmeout · Today 09:54

I do wonder if there is nuance here. E.g. when she says she’ll pay half of takeaway at hers is that just for the two of you? Or did she order takeaway for your whole family? If the latter then it’s reasonable imo and I wouldn’t expect a person with no kids to cover a whole family of 5.

Also with the kid centric days out, she might think you invited her to a thing she’d never normally go to and she’s doing you a favour (being an extra pair of hands with the kids). If that’s not true then I just wouldn’t invite her, it’s a bit weird honestly having a child free friend come to these sorts of things.

Overall it sounds like you just need to be more direct with your expectations.

Earheads · Today 09:57

She's a user.
Why would you be bothering at all?
Be unavailable.

Mapletree1985 · Today 10:01

But maybe the one with more money should pay more. Maybe 100 pounds to her is like 10 pounds to you. There's a case to be made, I think.