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To be getting annoyed about my friend hoping I’ll pay for everything.

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FriendOrFunder · Yesterday 23:27

I’m in my early 30s, as is my best friend. We met at uni and have been close for years. She was my MOH. We’ve supported each other through break-ups and family issues, and spent lots of time together before I had children. We’re very different, but have always got on well.

For context, we both did a very competitive course at one of the world’s top 10 universities. I wanted a good education and career, but was also quite traditional. I wanted to meet someone ambitious, marry and have a family. I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of why I chose that course and university. She was much more career-first and independent, very much “I don’t need a man”. Marriage and children weren’t priorities, and she saw uni as the start of a big career.

I’m now married with three children under six and we’re fortunate to be very comfortable financially. My husband works in the family business and I don’t currently need to work. My friend is career-focused and works extremely hard. She and her boyfriend are doing well, but have less financial security and family support.

I’m starting to feel there’s an assumption I’ll pay for things, or contribute more, because I’m better off. If she comes to ours for dinner or a takeaway, she might bring a packet of biscuits from the local shop, if anything. Fine. But if I go to hers, she’ll order a takeaway for everyone and assume I’ll pay half. “That’s £60, we’ll go halves, ok?” This isn’t discussed beforehand. It’s not really about the amount. It’s that she assumes I’ll contribute to something she’s chosen, whereas there’s no equivalent expectation when she comes to mine. I’ve actually tried to address it a bit more recently. The last time she came to ours for a takeaway, I suggested we split the cost, rather than just ordering everything and me picking up the bill. She seemed a little taken aback and made a comment along the lines of “Oh, I’m not actually that hungry”. For context, she is also not poor, they holiday 4-5x per year (but perhaps whilst keeping it budget friendly), they have savings and own a decent flat.

It happens with days out with the children too. If we go to a pumpkin patch, for example, there’s often an assumption I’ll cover the costs. My children may be the main reason we’re going, but it’s still assumed rather than discussed. Gifts are another example. I asked what she wanted for her 30th and she said afternoon tea at the Ritz for the two of us. For my birthday, she gave me an inside-joke present that presumably cost around £20–30.

I don’t want to pay more just because I have more money, or have my husband’s earnings treated as a reason I should subsidise her. I’m not expecting her to spend beyond her means. I’m happy to choose cheaper activities or order separately. I just don’t want an unspoken expectation that I’ll contribute more.

It’s even noticeable in small things. We’ll go for wine at the local pub and, when it’s time to pay for the first round (she knows there usually isn’t a second), she’ll suddenly need the loo, answer an urgent text or look away.

AIBU to find this irritating? Should I accept it because I’m more comfortable financially, or is it reasonable to expect her not to make assumptions about my money?

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Alittlefrustrated · Today 07:16

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That doesn't even make sense in this context. You've grasped at an opportunity to bitch but missed the mark.
Think before you type.

gamerchick · Today 07:19

Tbf you are enabling it OP. Now it's at the front of your brain. It'll eat away at you

If you dislike confrontation then it's time to start asking to borrow money. You've hit a patch and you need to borrow cash from her. If she lends it just stick it somewhere and delay paying it back.

The problem will solve itself.

Heyhelga · Today 07:21

She sounds spoilt to me seeing as she obviously has money to go on holidays 4/5x a year. It's obviously an issue that is rightly annoying you. The tension is going to snap before long and you will both likely have an argument about money. Personally I'd take a step back from her just because I dislike personal conflict. Times change people change.

nicegreenwillow · Today 07:25

I just think you're going to have to talk to her about it. If you're worried about confrontation, just explain how you feel about the money situation

Undethetree · Today 07:26

I think you need to address it directly with her.

I have a couple of extremely well off friends, we all have kids and one is a SAHM to teens. I am on a lower than average income and really feeling the COL.

We always pay for ourselves and I always get a round in. We do things within my budget. We go away each year and every now and then I skip it because I'm honest about it being too expensive this year and we are all ok with that.

IMO good friendships should allow for people to say "I can't afford Option A, can we please do Option B or I will sit this one out and catch you next time"? And for others to be ok with that because it's the company that matters not the activity.

malefields · Today 07:33

MsGrumpytrousers · Yesterday 23:59

You’ve got children and she hasn’t, but when you go together to a place that’s entirely aimed at children, you don’t think you should pay for it even though you’re much better off than she is?

The friend could just decline. DP has lots of nieces and nephews and most family days out are aimed at the children, I find it an absolute bore but would never expect others to foot the bill for us just because we’re gracing them with our presence.

JetFlight · Today 07:38

This friendship won’t change. You could try a conversation and say how you feel, but there’s something about her that makes her feel entitled to what you have. If you withdraw it, I wonder if she’ll still want to be friends with you.

Goldengirl123 · Today 07:41

She’s not a friend. That’s awful

Cliiip · Today 07:44

Thefrocklady · Today 01:16

Honestly, do you realise how rude you are being. OP is a stay at home mom and that's actually a really noble position to have. Do you think sge should go to work only to see her wages effectively dissappear once they have forked out for 3 lots of childcare. Her husbands earnings are more than enough to provide for the family. I think its really quite sad when people are told they are sponging because their partner works and they don't. The whole family benefits if there is someone who is able to run a home and spend time with their children. Me thinks you are a bit jealous.

Urgh, your last line really spoiled that post. You're allowed to have thoughts about something without being jealous.

Rosesandthorns66 · Today 07:45

Katflapkit · Yesterday 23:41

I swear some people never grow out of that student, penny pinching mentality. I always end up feeling its as if getting you to pay or to getting out of paying matters more to them than the friendship.

You need to speak up more. Next time you go to the pub, say you get the first one in as I got the drinks last time. If she looks at her phone, nudge her and say your turn. If she goes to the loo, wait for to come and remind her to pay. If she is coming round, tell her to bring a bottle of wine like a normal person. If she ask for tea at The Ritz - say that's out of my budget. She's getting away with it because you let her.

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I totally agree with this.

I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who does this. It's selfish behaviour, to think you can pay because you can afford it.

Why throw your husband's money on someone selfish.

This would really irritate me. She's using you. For me it wouldn't be a nice feeling. I wouldn't keep a friendship that makes me feel like that.
Don't waste anymore money on her.
Do you really want to keep this friendship just to get used.

givemesteel · Today 07:49

Stop being a push over: 'it's your round' 'I think we agreed we'd go halves on the takeaway' etc.

That said, if someone without kids came to a pumpkin patch to spend time with me I'd include their ticket in my booking. Those sorts of things are boring enough if you have kids, let alone without.

OhBettyCalmDown · Today 07:52

She’s a cheeky bitch. The only way to deal with this is to bring it up with her directly. If you all plan a day out you reply ‘so glad you can join us your ticket will be £xxx’.

To be honest with someone like that I think she’ll just stop wanting to spend time with you but if you want to try and save the friendship then you have to set some boundaries.

Newname26 · Today 07:53

Wooopdiedoo · Today 06:20

If I were significantly better of than my best friend I would happily pay more

You don't really know that you wouldn't start to feel like Op is, used and abused.

OutOfTheOtherSide · Today 08:04

PollyBell · Today 00:03

If you are paying what has your husbands income got to do with it?

Because it all adds to the rage bait story...

Pipsquiggle · Today 08:10

@FriendOrFunder you need to do 2 things

  1. Break the cycle - the next few times you meet up, it's just you 2 and you go out for a meal - nothing fancy, just a 'normal' place. This is the easiest scenario to split the bill. This then starts a new norm of each paying your way.
  1. Clear communication BEFORE the event. If you are going to a children focussed activity, say 'I will pay for your entrance fee as I appreciate you coming along then you can decide whether you want to pay for any activities'

If going round to hers, ask if there's a plan for food - ask if she wants you to bring anything. Say, I would prefer not to spend £30 on a takeaway, could we get a meal deal from Waitrose / M&S.

You basically have to break the cycle. It might feel awkward at first but you have to do it because she isn't

OutOfTheOtherSide · Today 08:12

Alittlefrustrated · Today 07:16

That doesn't even make sense in this context. You've grasped at an opportunity to bitch but missed the mark.
Think before you type.

It does make perfect sense. The OP has explained in the opening post that, from the age of 18, she has been looking for a man who will fund her life. She's been very honest about that. The OP has set up her life to sponge off her husband. Her friend has set up her life to sponge off the OP. Both have made the strategic decision to use someone else for money.

Mariposa79729 · Today 08:13

Moonnstarz · Today 07:16

Isn't she just following your example? You went to uni to meet a rich man and are living off their wealth. She went to uni and met a friend who is now rich and is wanting to enjoy that wealth too. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery as they say!

It’s very different to be living off a husband’s wealth whilst providing him with free childcare for three very young children that would cost him thousands of pounds otherwise. Child rearing is labour (and I’m not a SAHM). It’s completely unrelated to having a rich friend and expecting them to pay for expensive things that you want to do.

Coconutter24 · Today 08:15

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Did you even read the OP?

Wooopdiedoo · Today 08:17

Newname26 · Today 07:53

You don't really know that you wouldn't start to feel like Op is, used and abused.

Respectfully, I do. I know myself, and I know my best friend; if I'm rich, she's rich, and vice versa.

Everybodysinthehousetonight · Today 08:18

YABU for making that such long OP. A couple of paragraphs would suffice.

Janetwin · Today 08:29

I know a woman that was a bit of a scrounge like that and when I suggested doing things and splitting the bill, she would just say she couldn’t afford it even though she was taking loads of holidays and buying new clothes and clearly living a more indulgent lifestyle than me. The “couldn’t afford it” excuse grated on me. We don’t hang out anymore.

AshCullen1894 · Today 08:33

Afternoon tea for 2? Feck that's a bit cheeky.

Agrumpyknitter · Today 08:39

I would also change the narrative when you meet up. Tell her each and every time that’s it’s got to be more equitable as you don’t work or earn an income and can’t afford to subsidise her using family money. If she doesn’t want to change meet her less often or just for a coffee.

MandemChickenShop · Today 08:40

This all sounds quite artificial

the7Vabo · Today 08:44

Mariposa79729 · Today 08:13

It’s very different to be living off a husband’s wealth whilst providing him with free childcare for three very young children that would cost him thousands of pounds otherwise. Child rearing is labour (and I’m not a SAHM). It’s completely unrelated to having a rich friend and expecting them to pay for expensive things that you want to do.

It’s one thing to agree to be a SAHM, it’s altogether far more cynical to admit that you did a good course in uni to ensure that you would end up with man who would bankroll you. The OP’s not making some huge sacrifice for her DH. This was her game plan. And unlike many on MN she is honest enough to admit to it.

Whilst I don’t agree with the friend’s behaviour, it’s very interesting to me that the OP’s behaviour is considered far more acceptable. There is a constant narrative pushed aggressively on MNs that SAHMs are trodden upon saints whose DH simply couldn’t have a career without them.

The Op made sure she married well, and is now acting as if her DH’s money makes her someone superior to a woman who makes her own living. That wouldn’t be an unusual way of thinking and I don’t respect it.

If the OP has been as honest with her friend as she has been her, maybe the friend sees this as simply as extension of the DH’s spending power. I don’t agree with that, but I also don’t think the OP can get on her high horse about it hugely given she used her DH much the same way and to a much larger degree.