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To be getting annoyed about my friend hoping I’ll pay for everything.

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FriendOrFunder · Yesterday 23:27

I’m in my early 30s, as is my best friend. We met at uni and have been close for years. She was my MOH. We’ve supported each other through break-ups and family issues, and spent lots of time together before I had children. We’re very different, but have always got on well.

For context, we both did a very competitive course at one of the world’s top 10 universities. I wanted a good education and career, but was also quite traditional. I wanted to meet someone ambitious, marry and have a family. I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of why I chose that course and university. She was much more career-first and independent, very much “I don’t need a man”. Marriage and children weren’t priorities, and she saw uni as the start of a big career.

I’m now married with three children under six and we’re fortunate to be very comfortable financially. My husband works in the family business and I don’t currently need to work. My friend is career-focused and works extremely hard. She and her boyfriend are doing well, but have less financial security and family support.

I’m starting to feel there’s an assumption I’ll pay for things, or contribute more, because I’m better off. If she comes to ours for dinner or a takeaway, she might bring a packet of biscuits from the local shop, if anything. Fine. But if I go to hers, she’ll order a takeaway for everyone and assume I’ll pay half. “That’s £60, we’ll go halves, ok?” This isn’t discussed beforehand. It’s not really about the amount. It’s that she assumes I’ll contribute to something she’s chosen, whereas there’s no equivalent expectation when she comes to mine. I’ve actually tried to address it a bit more recently. The last time she came to ours for a takeaway, I suggested we split the cost, rather than just ordering everything and me picking up the bill. She seemed a little taken aback and made a comment along the lines of “Oh, I’m not actually that hungry”. For context, she is also not poor, they holiday 4-5x per year (but perhaps whilst keeping it budget friendly), they have savings and own a decent flat.

It happens with days out with the children too. If we go to a pumpkin patch, for example, there’s often an assumption I’ll cover the costs. My children may be the main reason we’re going, but it’s still assumed rather than discussed. Gifts are another example. I asked what she wanted for her 30th and she said afternoon tea at the Ritz for the two of us. For my birthday, she gave me an inside-joke present that presumably cost around £20–30.

I don’t want to pay more just because I have more money, or have my husband’s earnings treated as a reason I should subsidise her. I’m not expecting her to spend beyond her means. I’m happy to choose cheaper activities or order separately. I just don’t want an unspoken expectation that I’ll contribute more.

It’s even noticeable in small things. We’ll go for wine at the local pub and, when it’s time to pay for the first round (she knows there usually isn’t a second), she’ll suddenly need the loo, answer an urgent text or look away.

AIBU to find this irritating? Should I accept it because I’m more comfortable financially, or is it reasonable to expect her not to make assumptions about my money?

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Paradoes · Yesterday 23:30

She is a user. She is aware. How valuable is the friendship to you?

SkinnyOatFlatWhiteForMePleaseBarista · Yesterday 23:34

You are allowing her to use you, that’s not friendship.

Imaginingdragonsagain · Yesterday 23:34

YANBU she sounds like a user.

Katflapkit · Yesterday 23:41

I swear some people never grow out of that student, penny pinching mentality. I always end up feeling its as if getting you to pay or to getting out of paying matters more to them than the friendship.

You need to speak up more. Next time you go to the pub, say you get the first one in as I got the drinks last time. If she looks at her phone, nudge her and say your turn. If she goes to the loo, wait for to come and remind her to pay. If she is coming round, tell her to bring a bottle of wine like a normal person. If she ask for tea at The Ritz - say that's out of my budget. She's getting away with it because you let her.

pizzaHeart · Yesterday 23:41

I don’t think she is your friend. I would cut/ transform meet ups.
Drinks: don’t do rounds: I will pay for mine, thanks.
Takeaways: continue what you’ve tried suggesting going halves before ordering. I would avoid takeaways tbh, go to a restaurant and ask for separate bills.
Meet ups : agree a place, and a time, book your tickets online and then just wait while she’s buying tickets.
Don't ask her what she wants for Christmas/ birthday etc You know her well enough just up find her something.

P.S. She sounds like a type who will be talking a lot behind your back

Nofeckingway · Yesterday 23:46

Don't you hate when friends behave so badly that you no longer like them , worry about meeting them and feel so negative about them ? I hope that the few pound they are saving will be worth it for them .

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Noras · Yesterday 23:55

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That’s a bit of a cruel comment

MsGrumpytrousers · Yesterday 23:59

You’ve got children and she hasn’t, but when you go together to a place that’s entirely aimed at children, you don’t think you should pay for it even though you’re much better off than she is?

BreadInCaptivity · Today 00:01

You say you are getting annoyed. Tbh I don’t understand why you’ve not been very annoyed for some time.

The birthday disparity was utterly ridiculous (and greedy beyond belief) and the ongoing expectation of paying for drinks and days out when she can holiday multiple times a year is deeply unfair and a highly unattractive way to operate.

She is using you like an ATM.

Your choice is to accept it as the very real cost of her company (I wouldn’t class it as friendship at this point), cut her off (either gradually reducing your availability or abruptly) or spelling the situation out very clearly and telling her that if she wants to continue spending time together then she needs to pay her fair share - and let her make the decision as to if the relationship continues.

For me, the damage would be done already and I’d have started phasing her out some time ago and accept that the friendship had run past its end date.

PollyBell · Today 00:03

If you are paying what has your husbands income got to do with it?

BreadInCaptivity · Today 00:07

MsGrumpytrousers · Yesterday 23:59

You’ve got children and she hasn’t, but when you go together to a place that’s entirely aimed at children, you don’t think you should pay for it even though you’re much better off than she is?

On the basis the OP hasn’t kidnapped her and is forcing her to go at gun point then it’s her “friend’s” choice to go or not and if she chooses to go then yes, she should pay.

I wouldn’t have gone to that type of event pre-children but neither would my friends with kids have expected me to, or been unhappy with me saying “I’ll pass on than one thanks”.

Take the children out of the equation and you’re advocating a principle that the OP should pay as she chose the outing. In that instance the friend should maybe have put her hand in her purse when suggesting tea at The Ritz…..

wahale · Today 00:15

this is shit and no she shouldn't have to pay just because its a kids activity. You need to sit down and tell her everything here. Tell her she needs to make it up to you

BerryTwister · Today 00:20

PollyBell · Today 00:03

If you are paying what has your husbands income got to do with it?

@PollyBell OP doesn’t earn any money. Her husband’s income is what pays. And it’s a high income, he’s minted, which is the reason OP went to a good university, to find a rich man.

latetothefisting · Today 00:32

BreadInCaptivity · Today 00:07

On the basis the OP hasn’t kidnapped her and is forcing her to go at gun point then it’s her “friend’s” choice to go or not and if she chooses to go then yes, she should pay.

I wouldn’t have gone to that type of event pre-children but neither would my friends with kids have expected me to, or been unhappy with me saying “I’ll pass on than one thanks”.

Take the children out of the equation and you’re advocating a principle that the OP should pay as she chose the outing. In that instance the friend should maybe have put her hand in her purse when suggesting tea at The Ritz…..

exactly, I wasn't sure what that poster was on about, I seemed to have missed the part where the friend HAD to go to the pumpkin patch and couldn't have just said "No thanks."....!

AmnesiacDream · Today 00:34

YANBU. But I wouldn't write her off straight away if she's always been a good friend.

Call her out on it next time it's just the two of you and be prepared to have a kind but candid conversation about it.

Clonakilla · Today 00:57

You lost me a little when you explained you chose a course and a uni at least partly to find a man to fund you……..

I certainly agree using others is an unpleasant trait.

If she’s a good friend talk frankly to her. If she isn’t then just move on to other friendships.

SouthLondonMum22 · Today 00:57

Would you be annoyed with her if she didn't go to the pumpkin patch and other child related things with you?

Overall, I don't think you're unreasonable. Just be more firm and make her pay more.

FunPartyIdeas · Today 01:10

I agree - it's not OK for anybody to rely on someone else financially. Earn your own!

PollyBell · Today 01:11

BerryTwister · Today 00:20

@PollyBell OP doesn’t earn any money. Her husband’s income is what pays. And it’s a high income, he’s minted, which is the reason OP went to a good university, to find a rich man.

No surprise really

FunPartyIdeas · Today 01:12

FriendOrFunder · Yesterday 23:27

I’m in my early 30s, as is my best friend. We met at uni and have been close for years. She was my MOH. We’ve supported each other through break-ups and family issues, and spent lots of time together before I had children. We’re very different, but have always got on well.

For context, we both did a very competitive course at one of the world’s top 10 universities. I wanted a good education and career, but was also quite traditional. I wanted to meet someone ambitious, marry and have a family. I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of why I chose that course and university. She was much more career-first and independent, very much “I don’t need a man”. Marriage and children weren’t priorities, and she saw uni as the start of a big career.

I’m now married with three children under six and we’re fortunate to be very comfortable financially. My husband works in the family business and I don’t currently need to work. My friend is career-focused and works extremely hard. She and her boyfriend are doing well, but have less financial security and family support.

I’m starting to feel there’s an assumption I’ll pay for things, or contribute more, because I’m better off. If she comes to ours for dinner or a takeaway, she might bring a packet of biscuits from the local shop, if anything. Fine. But if I go to hers, she’ll order a takeaway for everyone and assume I’ll pay half. “That’s £60, we’ll go halves, ok?” This isn’t discussed beforehand. It’s not really about the amount. It’s that she assumes I’ll contribute to something she’s chosen, whereas there’s no equivalent expectation when she comes to mine. I’ve actually tried to address it a bit more recently. The last time she came to ours for a takeaway, I suggested we split the cost, rather than just ordering everything and me picking up the bill. She seemed a little taken aback and made a comment along the lines of “Oh, I’m not actually that hungry”. For context, she is also not poor, they holiday 4-5x per year (but perhaps whilst keeping it budget friendly), they have savings and own a decent flat.

It happens with days out with the children too. If we go to a pumpkin patch, for example, there’s often an assumption I’ll cover the costs. My children may be the main reason we’re going, but it’s still assumed rather than discussed. Gifts are another example. I asked what she wanted for her 30th and she said afternoon tea at the Ritz for the two of us. For my birthday, she gave me an inside-joke present that presumably cost around £20–30.

I don’t want to pay more just because I have more money, or have my husband’s earnings treated as a reason I should subsidise her. I’m not expecting her to spend beyond her means. I’m happy to choose cheaper activities or order separately. I just don’t want an unspoken expectation that I’ll contribute more.

It’s even noticeable in small things. We’ll go for wine at the local pub and, when it’s time to pay for the first round (she knows there usually isn’t a second), she’ll suddenly need the loo, answer an urgent text or look away.

AIBU to find this irritating? Should I accept it because I’m more comfortable financially, or is it reasonable to expect her not to make assumptions about my money?

How are you paying if you don't work? Do you mean your husband is paying for her?

Thefrocklady · Today 01:16

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Honestly, do you realise how rude you are being. OP is a stay at home mom and that's actually a really noble position to have. Do you think sge should go to work only to see her wages effectively dissappear once they have forked out for 3 lots of childcare. Her husbands earnings are more than enough to provide for the family. I think its really quite sad when people are told they are sponging because their partner works and they don't. The whole family benefits if there is someone who is able to run a home and spend time with their children. Me thinks you are a bit jealous.

puppyinapumpkinpatch · Today 01:28

I'm afraid her attitude would kill the friendship for me. (Though I do agree that you should probably pay most if not all of the costs of attending the pumpkin patch when it's for the benefit of your own children. However, there are limits to how much you should be expected to pay for the privilege of her companionship on a day out.)

I'd start pushing back harder. Split bills according to what you eat and don't just go along with her suggestions/assumptions. (She had no problem avoiding paying half when you asked, after all. No reason you can't do the same.) Stop asking what she wants and choose smaller gifts.

GreyBeeplus3 · Today 01:34

@FriendOrFunder
Your so-called knowing she's doing it "friend" is using you to fund herself of the 'nice things' that she likes but doesn't see why she should pay for them
You've children she doesn't and yet still expects you to pay every time
Honestly
I'd Ditch the Bitch
She's a grabby greedy cow and she'll not listen if you try to speak because she never has before
Just cut your losses
You may go way back
And there may even be resentment on her side and so this is her way of getting back at you because she sees you "as soft" and somehow having it 'easier' than her
So,
No giving of chances
Or spending of your money on this assumptive moomoo
Anymore.

OriginalUsername2 · Today 01:45

YANBU

Your husband works to pay for you and your children, she doesn’t come into it. Make sure she pays her own way from now on.