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UK at war within 1000 days

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HumbleStumble · 25/10/2026 10:45

Wes Streeting has said Britain must be ready for war in 1,000 days. This combined with the advice to stockpile while you can is highly inflammatory and worrying. AIBU to think that if there is a specific threat he should be specific? If it's a nuclear threat then he should say. We are lucky to have access to what is effectively a bunker but what can you do if you live in a bedsit in the London borough of suburbia?

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Muffsies · 25/10/2026 15:39

TemperanceWest · 25/10/2026 10:56

🤣 good point. I do think he could have worded it better.

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He worded it perfectly if you have basic comprehension skills

PigletJohn · 25/10/2026 15:40

It's interesting to reflect that Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty - which states that an armed attack against one member is an attack against all - has only been invoked once, by one country requesting the assistance of the others, which was given, to the considerable cost, in money snd lives, of the other countries.

Can anyone guess which was the country asking for help, and which were the countries that stepped in?

Dollymylove · 25/10/2026 15:42

We cant even defend our own borders never mind take on the Russians . We have no idea who is roaming free here, all courtesy of the tax paying mugs of the UK 😡

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/10/2026 15:43

Muffsies · 25/10/2026 15:39

He worded it perfectly if you have basic comprehension skills

Basic comprehension is why the majority of people are aware the UK has no borders there are any prospect of "tanks rolling over" in the first place, and why that's such a vapid thing to say. Again, there is no need to dismiss the possibility of implausible events.

Dollymylove · 25/10/2026 15:46

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/10/2026 15:43

Basic comprehension is why the majority of people are aware the UK has no borders there are any prospect of "tanks rolling over" in the first place, and why that's such a vapid thing to say. Again, there is no need to dismiss the possibility of implausible events.

What, you think that because we are an island that the Ruskies wont invade?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/10/2026 15:49

Dollymylove · 25/10/2026 15:46

What, you think that because we are an island that the Ruskies wont invade?

Not "wont", can't.

Don't know why I'm replying tbh, because you clearly aren't asking an honest question in order to elicit an honest response.

likelysuspect · 25/10/2026 15:50

Yes he sounds like an idiot

EmmaOfNormandy · 25/10/2026 16:02

PigletJohn · 25/10/2026 15:40

It's interesting to reflect that Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty - which states that an armed attack against one member is an attack against all - has only been invoked once, by one country requesting the assistance of the others, which was given, to the considerable cost, in money snd lives, of the other countries.

Can anyone guess which was the country asking for help, and which were the countries that stepped in?

The US.

Maninasuitcase · 25/10/2026 16:04

HumbleStumble · 25/10/2026 10:45

Wes Streeting has said Britain must be ready for war in 1,000 days. This combined with the advice to stockpile while you can is highly inflammatory and worrying. AIBU to think that if there is a specific threat he should be specific? If it's a nuclear threat then he should say. We are lucky to have access to what is effectively a bunker but what can you do if you live in a bedsit in the London borough of suburbia?

Ready for war is a long way from your heading of "at war". The situation is potentially serious but you are just being alarmist!

MintSnail · 25/10/2026 16:05

I think it's a diversion from their incompetence and refusal to invest in defence. We may go offline for a few hours if there's a significant cyber attack, (I have purchased a few extra cans of beans and a Fray Bentos in readiness). They've been attacking us for years, the fact we tolerated the novichok attacks is completely unreal.

MissConductUS · 25/10/2026 16:09

EmmaOfNormandy · 25/10/2026 16:02

The US.

The decision to invoke Article 5 was taken without a US request to do so:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NATO_Article_5_contingency

The decision to invoke NATO's collective self-defense provisions was undertaken at NATO's own initiative, without a request by the United States, and occurred despite the hesitation of Germany, Belgium, Norway, and the Netherlands.

LillyPeacePlant · 25/10/2026 16:10

HelenaWaiting · 25/10/2026 13:20

Blatant and dishonest scaremongering. For the avoidance of doubt, I mean you, not Streeting, who you have gone out of your way to misquote.

Russian bot stirring up panic and division?

IroningWhileWatchingTV · 25/10/2026 16:11

I have seen all of the Govt warnings but I think it is more a case of our needing to be more vigilant at eg stations, concerts, sports matches, festivals and other crowded events.

Security staff need to know they can be (and need to be) totally confident in demanding to search open bags irrespective of owner. Manchester Arena 🥹

dreamingbohemian · 25/10/2026 16:12

MissConductUS · 25/10/2026 14:48

The US pointing out that European NATO members underspend on defense goes back to JKF, and the reaction has always been to nod, smile, and ignore the issue. Very pointed warnings about this issue were given by the US Secretary of Defense in 2013:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/text-of-speech-by-robert-gates-on-the-future-of-nato/

The whole thing is worth a read, but here's an excerpt:

With respect to Europe, for the better part of six decades there has been relatively little doubt or debate in the United States about the value and necessity of the transatlantic alliance. The benefits of a Europe whole, prosperous and free after being twice devastated by wars requiring American intervention was self evident. Thus, for most of the Cold War U.S. governments could justify defense investments and costly forward bases that made up roughly 50 percent of all NATO military spending. But some two decades after the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the U.S. share of NATO defense spending has now risen to more than 75 percent – at a time when politically painful budget and benefit cuts are being considered at home.

The blunt reality is that there will be dwindling appetite and patience in the U.S. Congress – and in the American body politic writ large – to expend increasingly precious funds on behalf of nations that are apparently unwilling to devote the necessary resources or make the necessary changes to be serious and capable partners in their own defense. Nations apparently willing and eager for American taxpayers to assume the growing security burden left by reductions in European defense budgets.

Indeed, if current trends in the decline of European defense capabilities are not halted and reversed, Future U.S. political leaders– those for whom the Cold War was not the formative experience that it was for me – may not consider the return on America’s investment in NATO worth the cost.

Not pulling any punches, was he? As usual, this was ignored, and here we are, 13 years later, with the prediction coming true.

I don't think the average Brit appreciates the cumulative effect decades of defense cuts have had on HM's forces. I'm a U.S. Army veteran, and I served alongside BA forces in Operation Granby in Iraq. Back then, the BA had about 150k active duty soldiers. It's now 72k, the lowest number since the 18th century. Your navy has gone from over 100 warships to 25. Of those, the five Astute-class fast attack submarines are in the dock for repairs because of a lack of maintenance funds. That's right, none are seaworthy. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/uks-astute-class-submarines-totally-undetectable-at-sea-for-one-reason-ps-061126. Recall a few months ago when it took three weeks for the RN to deploy a single warship to the Med when the Iranians lobbed a missile at the RAF base on Crete.

As to all of the discussion about tanks, Russia has no desire to invade the UK. What they would absolutely love to do is get revenge on a country they view as a historical enemy and adversary by using missiles and drones to destroy high-value targets in the UK, like oil and gas infrastructure, ports, communications nodes, and airports. At present, the UK has very little to hit back with that would deter the Russians, other than its NATO membership. The UK has also become increasingly irrelevant in global security discussions because it has so little to contribute.

So I'm pleased that the topic of defense spending is being discussed, but I'm not hopeful anything meaningful will be done, as any attempts to moderate the growth in social spending have been politically untenable, and there's very little room to raise taxes or borrow more money from abroad.

Great post!

The one thing I disagree on though is missile strikes and the UK having no deterrent. It does still have its nuclear deterrent and the likeliest scenario is ongoing/escalating attacks below the threshold of conventional warfare/Article 5. Russia could rather easily create havoc in the UK without any conventional strikes and without anything 100% attributable to it.

Putin has said the UK is Russia's #1 enemy in Europe. It's astounding to see people on here parroting Russian propaganda and doing their work for them.

Electra10E · 25/10/2026 16:13

Dollymylove · 25/10/2026 15:46

What, you think that because we are an island that the Ruskies wont invade?

What would that look like? A Russian invasion.

Do tell, please.

olivepicanto · 25/10/2026 16:15

savingtheworldafewpostsatatime · 25/10/2026 14:51

It isn't exactly that. Many commentators now say that Ukraine is being used by big business in the west in order to decimate Russia for economic purposes. Various politicians have said that the conflict will reap economic rewards. The geopolitical situation has also been explained many times by academics opposing war mongering.

Britain should not be involved other than diplomatically.

We are being dragged into something which end up being horrific for the entire world. It is relevant to draw comparisons to previous world wars though - if you read "falsehoods in wartime" written by Hon Arthur Ponsonby about world war one you will find very similar war mongering going on with very similar fake justifications.

Background to what is happening in Ukraine in fact goes back decades. Everyone should be making themselves aware of it. We don't want war, and we don't want to fund people killing eachother. Being more involved diplomatically to get a solution which both Ukraine and Russia is happy with is a good idea though.

No possibility that Russia would be interested in invading any European country including the UK other than in response to Russia being attacked by NATO which is what we are told is planned.

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Has Ukraine's moved to another continent?

FroggyThroat · 25/10/2026 16:15

Hey, why send over a cruise missile to bomb one arms factory in Stevenage when you can hire a team of your best hackers and get them to bring down our NHS, train signalling system and mess up our supply chains?

The new warfare has changed. This is the biggest threat to us at the moment and it is gaining momentum. Yesterday you couldn't go online and book your M&S food slot slot (shriek), next week they may hit a major network and bring down a whole train system for a week.

What's clear is that whilst the UK has been swapping out PM's, skimping on defence and throwing billions down the toilet and flushing it, our inept leaders have done sweet FA to keep up to date on protecting the country. The dangers are clear and present - Putin, Elon Musk playing silly buggers with the Ukraine and his satellite, Trump being a big fat bully and not being able to finish anything, China trying to cyber attack our networks and our own home grown and imported terrorists.

Our European neighbours are more prepared than us. They have had Russia as neighbours and have had one eye on him at all times. They too are militarily weak as well though.

I think that were something to happen such as a military strike, even a small one, from Russia or Iran, then we Brits would truly crap ourselves as we are used to only causing wars thousands of miles away from the comfort of our homes, and not having them actually play out in front of us. I think the government think there is a high probability of something happening and so need to make us ready because we will all panic IMO.

That said, Putin is not in a position to attack us and win. He can't even win a war against a small country next door, let along take on the whole of Europe. I highly doubt China would assist him as it's a battle he wouldn't win.

The USA are no longer our ally. I am actually quite disgusted with the way Trump and Elon Musk have treated the Ukraine. I think our government has woken up to the fact that we can no longer rely on America to help us out if needed, and that we need to work with Europe to keep us all safe and this is one of the first things they are doing, getting us to take some personal responsibility and tell us to "stay home and don't panic, draw on your resources and leave us to help the most vulnerable".

EmmaOfNormandy · 25/10/2026 16:18

MissConductUS · 25/10/2026 16:09

The decision to invoke Article 5 was taken without a US request to do so:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NATO_Article_5_contingency

The decision to invoke NATO's collective self-defense provisions was undertaken at NATO's own initiative, without a request by the United States, and occurred despite the hesitation of Germany, Belgium, Norway, and the Netherlands.

So the US was not a member of NATO then ?

AntikytheraMech · 25/10/2026 16:19

"There are none so blind as those who will not see".
I've worked in defence for 20 plus years.
The capabilities involving things like submarine deployed drones, cyber security attacks, interruption of major Energy, gas lines, CNI capabilities (Water sewage internal networking, SCADA systems), telecommunications and electricity can cripple a country faster than the ottomans sieged Constantinople.
Many other countries are battle hardened into using $300 drones to kill people and take out infrastructure. I'm exmilitary from the 90s, and went into securing these systems until this year. We should certainly have provisions against a storm.

notimagain · 25/10/2026 16:23

Re 9/11 and NATO I agree with
@MissConductUS that

The decision to invoke Article 5 was taken without a US request to do so:

As for Europe's spending on defence vs. US...

One problem is there's lies, damned lies and defence procurement.

Some countries this side of the pond have become a bit clever at incorporating projects such as bridge and road building into the military budget ( argument being for example a bridge is useful for moving military around)..there's also a whole other issue that it does.sometimes appear a lot is spent but it doesn't buy a lot (yes MOD procurement, I'm looking at you).

Electra10E · 25/10/2026 16:26

AntikytheraMech · 25/10/2026 16:19

"There are none so blind as those who will not see".
I've worked in defence for 20 plus years.
The capabilities involving things like submarine deployed drones, cyber security attacks, interruption of major Energy, gas lines, CNI capabilities (Water sewage internal networking, SCADA systems), telecommunications and electricity can cripple a country faster than the ottomans sieged Constantinople.
Many other countries are battle hardened into using $300 drones to kill people and take out infrastructure. I'm exmilitary from the 90s, and went into securing these systems until this year. We should certainly have provisions against a storm.

Then you will know that Moscow, for example, tries to tread a fine line between grey warfare, and open conflict, that would run the risk of a material NATO response.

One of the reasons they have not conducted a major cyber attack is because they know that US, European, and, yes, UK capabilities in this area would result in significant reprisals.

Posters on here talking of physical invasion etc are at best misguided. Even if Moscow were able to invade, and hold, NATO territory, what would be their tactical and strategic aim? And, yes, that includes the Baltics.

The Kremlin will simply continue to sow division, and given the number of European nations going to the polls within the next 12 odd months, and the likely shift to the right, Putin will likely continue to play a waiting game.

TemperanceWest · 25/10/2026 16:39

One of the reasons they have not conducted a major cyber attack is because they know that US, European, and, yes, UK capabilities in this area would result in significant reprisals

What would those reprisals look like? A reciprocal cyber attack on Russia? Genuinely asking as I don't know the answer.

Electra10E · 25/10/2026 16:41

TemperanceWest · 25/10/2026 16:39

One of the reasons they have not conducted a major cyber attack is because they know that US, European, and, yes, UK capabilities in this area would result in significant reprisals

What would those reprisals look like? A reciprocal cyber attack on Russia? Genuinely asking as I don't know the answer.

Yes, absolutely.

I know this through my profession.

Edit: I can also tell you that Pyongyang, in particular, are highly developed in cyber warfare.

MissConductUS · 25/10/2026 16:46

EmmaOfNormandy · 25/10/2026 16:18

So the US was not a member of NATO then ?

Of course we were. If a member state wishes NATO action through Article 5, the process happens when the country makes a request using Article 4:

https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/introduction-to-nato/the-consultation-process-and-article-4

The US made no Article 4 request after 9/11. Instead, Article 5 was invoked by a vote at a North Atlantic Council meeting.

Meeting of the North Atlantic Council in Foreign Ministers’ Session, with EU HRVP - Meeting of NATO Ministers of Foreign Affairs

The consultation process and Article 4

Consultation takes many forms. At its most basic level, it involves simply the exchange of information and opinions. At another level, it covers the communication of actions or decisions that governments have already taken or may be about to take. Fina...

https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/introduction-to-nato/the-consultation-process-and-article-4

MissConductUS · 25/10/2026 16:52

notimagain · 25/10/2026 16:23

Re 9/11 and NATO I agree with
@MissConductUS that

The decision to invoke Article 5 was taken without a US request to do so:

As for Europe's spending on defence vs. US...

One problem is there's lies, damned lies and defence procurement.

Some countries this side of the pond have become a bit clever at incorporating projects such as bridge and road building into the military budget ( argument being for example a bridge is useful for moving military around)..there's also a whole other issue that it does.sometimes appear a lot is spent but it doesn't buy a lot (yes MOD procurement, I'm looking at you).

Good point. And European NATO countries often spend less efficiently on defense than they should because of parochial political considerations. Italy, the UK, France, and Germany all make their own main battle tanks in low volumes. This not only complicates logistics, it leads to much higher costs per tank. Rationalizing European defense production would produce much more combat capability for the same spending level, but seems politically impossible.

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