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UK at war within 1000 days

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HumbleStumble · 25/10/2026 10:45

Wes Streeting has said Britain must be ready for war in 1,000 days. This combined with the advice to stockpile while you can is highly inflammatory and worrying. AIBU to think that if there is a specific threat he should be specific? If it's a nuclear threat then he should say. We are lucky to have access to what is effectively a bunker but what can you do if you live in a bedsit in the London borough of suburbia?

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EasternStandard · 25/10/2026 14:37

Dontcallmescarface · 25/10/2026 14:36

We have a bunker in our village. A proper concrete one with a steel door. The owner posted on the village Facebook page that he's never had so many "friend requests" in such a short space of time as he's had over the last 2 weeks.

I bet

Goldenbear · 25/10/2026 14:43

Livelovebehappy · 25/10/2026 13:07

I think there is a sense of imminent danger coming from all quarters. There’s the obvious climate change situation, which has ramped up over the last couple of years. America is pulling away from Europe - whatever people think about the USA, they are vital allies. There’s the continuing threat from Russia and Putin which is escalating. Europe is being infiltrated by religious extremists intent on destroying our way of life. Cyber threat is very real. Civil unrest spreading throughout Europe. Veiled threats from other hostile countries on the fringes - China, North Korea, Iran/Middle East. Something is going to happen but we don’t know the catalyst yet as to what’s going to implode first.

Is your Poster name supposed to be ironic?

smooththecat · 25/10/2026 14:46

YABU. If there’s any specific intelligence then he can’t tell us about that. Equally, you can’t keep people totally in the dark or be seen to become serious about things far too late like they did in Covid. It’s a bit, damned if you do, damed if you don’t but there’s enough evidence out there in public about the kind of stuff that’s already happening, Russian assassinations in UK, interference in the Brexit vote and other high stakes political events in Europe/globally, ‘testing’ defences, spying on and cutting of cables. That’s merely a small sample.

MissConductUS · 25/10/2026 14:48

Barrydoughnut · 25/10/2026 11:24

I don’t think US presidents after Trump are going to put less pressure on re:other countries defence spending. Plenty of US presidents before Trump complained about it so I don’t see any reason why they would roll back on that side of things post-Trump even if relationships with the US stabilise in other areas.

The US pointing out that European NATO members underspend on defense goes back to JKF, and the reaction has always been to nod, smile, and ignore the issue. Very pointed warnings about this issue were given by the US Secretary of Defense in 2013:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/text-of-speech-by-robert-gates-on-the-future-of-nato/

The whole thing is worth a read, but here's an excerpt:

With respect to Europe, for the better part of six decades there has been relatively little doubt or debate in the United States about the value and necessity of the transatlantic alliance. The benefits of a Europe whole, prosperous and free after being twice devastated by wars requiring American intervention was self evident. Thus, for most of the Cold War U.S. governments could justify defense investments and costly forward bases that made up roughly 50 percent of all NATO military spending. But some two decades after the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the U.S. share of NATO defense spending has now risen to more than 75 percent – at a time when politically painful budget and benefit cuts are being considered at home.

The blunt reality is that there will be dwindling appetite and patience in the U.S. Congress – and in the American body politic writ large – to expend increasingly precious funds on behalf of nations that are apparently unwilling to devote the necessary resources or make the necessary changes to be serious and capable partners in their own defense. Nations apparently willing and eager for American taxpayers to assume the growing security burden left by reductions in European defense budgets.

Indeed, if current trends in the decline of European defense capabilities are not halted and reversed, Future U.S. political leaders– those for whom the Cold War was not the formative experience that it was for me – may not consider the return on America’s investment in NATO worth the cost.

Not pulling any punches, was he? As usual, this was ignored, and here we are, 13 years later, with the prediction coming true.

I don't think the average Brit appreciates the cumulative effect decades of defense cuts have had on HM's forces. I'm a U.S. Army veteran, and I served alongside BA forces in Operation Granby in Iraq. Back then, the BA had about 150k active duty soldiers. It's now 72k, the lowest number since the 18th century. Your navy has gone from over 100 warships to 25. Of those, the five Astute-class fast attack submarines are in the dock for repairs because of a lack of maintenance funds. That's right, none are seaworthy. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/uks-astute-class-submarines-totally-undetectable-at-sea-for-one-reason-ps-061126. Recall a few months ago when it took three weeks for the RN to deploy a single warship to the Med when the Iranians lobbed a missile at the RAF base on Crete.

As to all of the discussion about tanks, Russia has no desire to invade the UK. What they would absolutely love to do is get revenge on a country they view as a historical enemy and adversary by using missiles and drones to destroy high-value targets in the UK, like oil and gas infrastructure, ports, communications nodes, and airports. At present, the UK has very little to hit back with that would deter the Russians, other than its NATO membership. The UK has also become increasingly irrelevant in global security discussions because it has so little to contribute.

So I'm pleased that the topic of defense spending is being discussed, but I'm not hopeful anything meaningful will be done, as any attempts to moderate the growth in social spending have been politically untenable, and there's very little room to raise taxes or borrow more money from abroad.

Text of Speech by Robert Gates on the Future of NATO

From the U.S. Department of Defense:  “Reflections on the status and future of the transatlantic alliance” as delivered by Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates, Brussels, Belgium, Friday, June 10, 2011. Thank you, Mr. Secretary General, Jaap, for that...

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/text-of-speech-by-robert-gates-on-the-future-of-nato/

Moohiganny · 25/10/2026 14:50

TemperanceWest · 25/10/2026 12:54

No, not most. Just over half of 1,000 Muslim Britons surveyed. It is a concern, but important to be accurate.

Of the 1,000 Muslim Britons surveyed:

52% think that homosexuality should be illegal in Britain

47% said it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian person to teach in school

23% would support there being areas of Britain in which Sharia law replaces British law

4% sympathise with people who take part in suicide bombing to fight injustice

39% believe that "wives should always obey their husbands"

86% feel a strong sense of belonging to Britain

94% feel they are able to freely practise their religion in the UK

That's actually terrifying.

savingtheworldafewpostsatatime · 25/10/2026 14:51

FullOfLemons · 25/10/2026 13:48

Thank you for this

We are often told that Ukraine is fighting for all of us

However the rationale is never explained properly

It isn't exactly that. Many commentators now say that Ukraine is being used by big business in the west in order to decimate Russia for economic purposes. Various politicians have said that the conflict will reap economic rewards. The geopolitical situation has also been explained many times by academics opposing war mongering.

Britain should not be involved other than diplomatically.

We are being dragged into something which end up being horrific for the entire world. It is relevant to draw comparisons to previous world wars though - if you read "falsehoods in wartime" written by Hon Arthur Ponsonby about world war one you will find very similar war mongering going on with very similar fake justifications.

Background to what is happening in Ukraine in fact goes back decades. Everyone should be making themselves aware of it. We don't want war, and we don't want to fund people killing eachother. Being more involved diplomatically to get a solution which both Ukraine and Russia is happy with is a good idea though.

No possibility that Russia would be interested in invading any European country including the UK other than in response to Russia being attacked by NATO which is what we are told is planned.

MissConductUS · 25/10/2026 14:58

No possibility that Russia would be interested in invading any European country including the UK other than in response to Russia being attacked by NATO which is what we are told is planned.

What credible person is saying that NATO plans to attack Russia?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/10/2026 15:00

No possibility that Russia would be interested in invading any European country including the UK other than in response to Russia being attacked by NATO which is what we are told is planned

Of course this is precisely what happened when Russia invaded a European nation in 2014, and followed that up by a further invasion of the same European nation in 2022.

Oh wait...

The remainder of your post is head-in-the-sand nonsense. The problem with entirely passive non-interventionism is it inevitably results in even greater humanitarian catastrophe in the longer term. Sometimes it is actually the right thing to do to go to war and give miscreants the kicking they desperately need, even when that results in citizens being killed and economic hardship.

Usou · 25/10/2026 15:05

@MissConductUS

Where have you been?

Finally, somebody who knows what they are talking about.

Blarn · 25/10/2026 15:13

If there was a nuclear bomb on they way I'd race towards it, I've seen Threads.

MissConductUS · 25/10/2026 15:13

Usou · 25/10/2026 15:05

@MissConductUS

Where have you been?

Finally, somebody who knows what they are talking about.

I regularly post in the Ukraine threads, where I comment on military issues and the U.S. political situation. Otherwise, you can find me here discussing dull news with my MN pals.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5549281-come-and-tell-us-your-dull-and-unexciting-news-36-calmly-through-the-day

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HarrietPierce · 25/10/2026 15:15

overnightangel " "Is it an unpleasant view or an inconvenient truth?"

A very unpleasant view.

savingtheworldafewpostsatatime · 25/10/2026 15:15

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/10/2026 15:00

No possibility that Russia would be interested in invading any European country including the UK other than in response to Russia being attacked by NATO which is what we are told is planned

Of course this is precisely what happened when Russia invaded a European nation in 2014, and followed that up by a further invasion of the same European nation in 2022.

Oh wait...

The remainder of your post is head-in-the-sand nonsense. The problem with entirely passive non-interventionism is it inevitably results in even greater humanitarian catastrophe in the longer term. Sometimes it is actually the right thing to do to go to war and give miscreants the kicking they desperately need, even when that results in citizens being killed and economic hardship.

Have a look at the sections of Anne Applebaum's book about the cold war which deals with the realities of war. Not the bits about how she is super-sure the USSR caused all the problems, but the bits where she describes war, the effect on people, their places, their future, how it rips people apart and causes generations of trauma. And the bits in Homage to Catalonia about the realities of war, how it describes how families sent 15 year olds to the front line just to be able to pay for bread.

How can you wish this on the world again?

Sophisticated, wise, humane diplomacy is about solving problems in a win-win way. That is what we should be doing.

Not fake diplomacy or the sort of diplomacy you are referring to.

Electra10E · 25/10/2026 15:16

Perhaps two years of national conscription should be a condition of immigration to the UK.

That would quickly separate the wheat from the chaff.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/10/2026 15:20

How can you wish this on the world again?

How about we concentrate on the reality here, which is Russia completely ignoring the commitment it made when it signed the Budapest Memorandum, and then subjecting Ukranian people to all the things you are bemoaning that come along with being the victims of aggression, instead of what you think I, personally, might be "wishing on the world".

And you have the brass neck to paint Russia as some sort of benign entity.

There is little point talking about diplomatic solutions re Russia, because they have adequately displayed that their word and commitment means absolutely nothing. It's worthless.

ickky · 25/10/2026 15:25

I want to know what is going to happen in 2030, all plans seem to lead to that date.

PigletJohn · 25/10/2026 15:26

US is a very militaristic country and spends a lot on arms worldwide, to the great profit of its arms industry.

However, in Europe, the Europeans spend much more on defence of Europe than US does. No surprise, we have skin in the game, people like Trump don't give a fcuk, except his eyes light up at the thought of seizing Ukraine’s mineral wealth by arrangement with his leader, Putin.

jesseK · 25/10/2026 15:27

I'm mid 70s so possibly won't be here in three years but, hopefully, Kemi or Nigel will be PM then and they'll be brave enough to press that button first and wipe any threat off the face of the earth with no messing about,

researchers3 · 25/10/2026 15:30

ColdAsAWitches · 25/10/2026 10:59

Given that he specifically said that the threat to Britain is NOT one of Russian tanks rolling across our borders but terrorism and cyber-war, I don't really see why that's so funny?

Agreed!

TemperanceWest · 25/10/2026 15:30

jesseK · 25/10/2026 15:27

I'm mid 70s so possibly won't be here in three years but, hopefully, Kemi or Nigel will be PM then and they'll be brave enough to press that button first and wipe any threat off the face of the earth with no messing about,

Farage would be opening the door for Putin. Maybe Kemi too as she is a big Trump fan.

PigletJohn · 25/10/2026 15:30

savingtheworldafewpostsatatime · 25/10/2026 14:51

It isn't exactly that. Many commentators now say that Ukraine is being used by big business in the west in order to decimate Russia for economic purposes. Various politicians have said that the conflict will reap economic rewards. The geopolitical situation has also been explained many times by academics opposing war mongering.

Britain should not be involved other than diplomatically.

We are being dragged into something which end up being horrific for the entire world. It is relevant to draw comparisons to previous world wars though - if you read "falsehoods in wartime" written by Hon Arthur Ponsonby about world war one you will find very similar war mongering going on with very similar fake justifications.

Background to what is happening in Ukraine in fact goes back decades. Everyone should be making themselves aware of it. We don't want war, and we don't want to fund people killing eachother. Being more involved diplomatically to get a solution which both Ukraine and Russia is happy with is a good idea though.

No possibility that Russia would be interested in invading any European country including the UK other than in response to Russia being attacked by NATO which is what we are told is planned.

Edited

It's great to see someone other than Trump who follows the Russian line.

"Many commentators"

"We are told"

Yes, if you read Moscow's propaganda.

MrsHGWells · 25/10/2026 15:31

Streeting is peddling war mongering pre budget to lessen the Chancellor’s speech to raise more taxes again, to cover another budget deficit of this govt’s spend-a-thon. The new Chancellor fell out of favour as his portfolio was under funded (aka defence).

Streeting achieved nought tangible improvement with his health portfolio.. and now relies upon sound bites to promote his CV.

Wibble128 · 25/10/2026 15:33

PigletJohn · 25/10/2026 15:30

It's great to see someone other than Trump who follows the Russian line.

"Many commentators"

"We are told"

Yes, if you read Moscow's propaganda.

Bots quoting bots?

EmmaOfNormandy · 25/10/2026 15:34

52% think that homosexuality should be illegal in Britain

That number - "52" - immediately sets my nose a -twitchin'

Supersimkin7 · 25/10/2026 15:36

It’s highly unlikely - no one wants a war. Disruptions to food supply chains have always been around, this time it’s using computers.

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