PIP isn't fit for purpose

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I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

They are dead

I suppose thats why it goes on need
ADHD ,Autism and mental health conditons can be variable for some people
Bur for others like my son hes always going to need a high level of care hes not going to wake up one day and suddunly be able to talk and be independent

Oh. Questioning the benefit claims of the dead.

Cool.

Not being able to use public transport is not a criteria for pip if you have a physical disability though. Why should it count for other types of disabilities?

When PIP was introduced in 2013 there was a cut off date for migration to DLA for claimants who would reach retirement age before a certain date (can’t remember what it was) as long as the DLA award didn’t run out before then. The justification was that PIP is a working age benefit and it would eventually have parked too many retired people on it. There were a lot of people who qualified. Those with life awards were migrated to PIP if they didn’t meet this rule.

DLA to PIP managed migration was paused for a time. There are still around 150,000 adult DLA claims awaiting migration and DWP restarted the process last month with a test roll out of 3000 random selections. The final numbers are expected to be transferred to PIP by April 2028.

I am not questioning the benefit claims. I know the facts.

And you don't get attendance allowance, the retirement age disability benefit, for mobility.

Well yes, but you are now essentially calling dead people benefit cheats.

Gross.

Well they're not "cheating the system" now are they, so every cloud and all that.

No, it's planning and following a journey that is assessed. Ability to use public transport would come in to that - if you can't interpret a bus time timetable or navigate a train station, get off the train at the right stop etc due to a mental impairment, that qualifies.

Up to 16 this would be DLA not PIP. PIP over 16, so is it a young child..?
And how do you know what they do or don't spend it on? Do you have access to their bank statements and cameras installed in their home?

I am not calling "dead people" benefit cheats. I am answering a question on why I did not report them. The answer is I didn't know until after they died.

I didn't know about that court case thanks. It's actually harder to get pip for physical disabilities than for mental health or ADHD and autism.

I agree pip is not the right approach for young people. And for people with severe complex needs, I agree pip does not meet needs.

It irritates me all these people talking about using pip for example to have a tattoo to improve their mental health, when someone with a severe physical disability does not get enough money to pay for carers for any kind of social life. You get basic care. Four visits a day maximum to clean, dress and feed you.

You don’t ‘think’ you have to provide evidence? So you know nothing about how the assessment for PIP works yet are here making wild claims anyway?

Legally you don't have to provide evidence but it helps. I do know how it works. My daughter gets pip. I had to fill in the forms because she can't speak let alone fill forms in. Probably made it easier to fill in though, I'll grant you that.

Okay. But the inability to plan a journey is not simply for those with a severe learning disability who always need a carer. People get it for anxiety or ADHD saying they get confused and anxious,

The ability to use public transport or otherwise is only considered for Activity 1 - planning and following journeys. It assesses whether you could successfully plan a route using public transport and get from A to B safely, rather than whether you can actually use public transport in the context of getting on and off buses, or mobilising between bus stops for example. It’s specific to cognition and capacity.

Exactly and quite easy to lie about that.

But you need to back up what you're saying with evidence

Maybe he used some medical evidence from before his knee op. I don't know.
What I do know is that he freely admits he majorly exaggerated his condition.
He's pleased with himself. I made it clear I disapproved. That was it.

They need evidence!!

🥱🥱🥱done to death.
Boring AF.

There's no requirement to be "financially in need" of PIP. Not reading the rest.
Get a grip.

Nobody is getting awarded PIP without evidence. The ‘legally’ you don’t need it is a weird take, nobody is suggesting it’s illegal to apply without evidence, simply that people with zero evidence will not be awarded.

You mean what they tell their gp or mental health support worker?

So what would the evidence be beyond telling their GP or other Healthcare professional.

Why do much hatred for the disabled?