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PIP isn't fit for purpose

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Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:01

I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

OP posts:
Lotusina · 14/10/2026 16:06

If it makes you feel better OP, I get PIP and can’t work due to ill health. So it’s my only income.

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 16:07

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 16:02

Exactly. Some posters on here are so naive.

Aren't they just.

"No! I know for a fact you can't claim unless...."

You fucking can. That's why it's all gone to shit.

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 16:07

ThreadGuardDog · 14/10/2026 15:57

Which doesn’t mean being unable to leave the house. It means you need the stated level of help to be able to do it.

Obviously he said that he couldn't leave the house without help. The fact is he did though.

ThreadGuardDog · 14/10/2026 16:07

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 16:02

Exactly. Some posters on here are so naive.

No, some posters on here have experience of the system from a professional point of view rather than that of the claimant and can see through the bullshit some people post.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 14/10/2026 16:08

I've had three concussions, and an iatrogenic (medication induced) neurological involuntary movement disorder called tardive dyskinesia that was caused by an antipsychotic prescribed after my first concussion.

My life was stolen from me after the first concussion and subsequent movement disorder, which is permanent.

To see me now, you'd probably think there wasn't much wrong with my brain, but the fluctuations in cognitive symptoms, involuntary movements and other peculiar sensations/symptoms, all exacerbated by medication, hormones (and other seemingly innocuous substances depending on how my body is wanting me to feel that day lol 😆), mean there's never any real respite.

I tried, and failed, applying for PIP. My symptoms obviously weren't affecting my ability to live a normal life (apparently). But for years, I've continued pushing through feeling dreadful, yet looking after my family and working, as there's no alternative like PIP.

So yes. I do agree with you, OP, to an extent. I've seen a friend of my DH who's been on benefits and PIP for 18 years, yet I genuinely can't see anything about her that means she isn't really capable of working. She even said to my DH that she's better off staying on benefits than working. 😬😳

MyLimeGuide · 14/10/2026 16:09

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:14

Honestly, I'm off work sick so spending time on mumsnet where I wouldn't usually. I wasn't aware. I am genuine. I understand my opinion may upset you but it's my opinion nonetheless.

Are you claiming PIP for this sickness?

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 16:09

Tri483 · 14/10/2026 16:05

Mobility cars aren’t a good deal and it’s either that or PIP payments. We instructed our
daughter not to have one. Of course she will know why she got enhanced. She will have filled the form out and it states clearly why when you get a decision.

I think you misunderstand.

Of course she knows what she wrote.

The same as what she'd written the 8yrs prior and wasn't awarded the car. Then suddenly...car.

Tri483 · 14/10/2026 16:10

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 16:02

Exactly. Some posters on here are so naive.

Well I’m not as I filled in the form with the accompanying big package of robust evidence. It’s anything but easy. My husband and I have 3 degrees between us and it was one of the hardest bits of paperwork we’ve done in a long time.

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 16:10

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 15:49

It does happen. The person did have anxiety and would have had evidence for that. They can't have had evidence they never left the house without another person though because they did. What evidence would they need to provide for that?

Evidence of anxiety is not evidence of severe mental health issues that prevent a person being able to go out alone. It very different.

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 16:13

ThreadGuardDog · 14/10/2026 16:07

No, some posters on here have experience of the system from a professional point of view rather than that of the claimant and can see through the bullshit some people post.

I am certainly not bullshitting. I am disabled myself and in no way begrudge genuine claimants. I also have experience of the system. I feel very angry this person was able to claim enhance pip mobility but he did. I am not sure what lies he told to get it but he obviously did. You are extremely naive if you don't think it possible.

Dontcallmescarface · 14/10/2026 16:13

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 12:06

Yes, I do believe that it should apply across the board, but PIP was the focus of this thread. IMHO I also don’t think benefits should be paid long term - after 6-12m of unemployment there should be participation in compulsory retraining to acquire skills to meet local market requirements, in order to continue to receive them.

And yes, it could be costly to devise, set up and implement any alternative system… but what we are doing now is a loss/loss model with no exit or expiry date. And we have technology and AI that can be used very quickly to create admin systems/soft ware and to help run cost models. We just have to have a political will to want to genuinely explore alternatives.

Fan-fucking-tasctic idea, now how do we get employers to employ disabled people when it will cost those employers more due to lost production when the employee needs to go to appointments, the cost of making the workplace accessible, and I don't just mean for those in wheelchairs. Do you have any idea how much a BSL interpreter costs per hour? (yes there are apps for that, but they don't work so well in group meetings). You can parrot all the "don't-pay-em -after-x-amount-of-months" line all you want but it means absolutely nothing when there is no workplace prepared to take on the additional costs of hiring a disabled person. So what then, deem them "too lazy" to find work and leave them to rot.

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 16:14

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 16:00

I know someone who finds it funny that they've got a pip car. Not in a "ha ha I've wangled the system" more funny in that it's comical. It's for their daughter who's ADHD. And all through DLA years the DD got the lower rates.

Then they did the transfer to pip and got the high mobility rate. She's got no idea why. But was like "fuck it, if they want to give it to me, I'll take it."

This was about 2yrs ago. She's still driving it. I think she said she gets it for 3yrs.

I mean that's not fraud, she just filled the same information she'd been putting all through the DLA years. And now she gets the car.

So whilst some people struggle with the forms, others don't.

Oh that was the other thing:

Not only did she just get this car out of nowhere, she then applied for a blue badge... And was declined 😅

She was like, wtf? You'll give me a new car because of disability, but I'm not disabled enough to park it?? What even is this?

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 16:14

ThreadGuardDog · 14/10/2026 16:07

No, some posters on here have experience of the system from a professional point of view rather than that of the claimant and can see through the bullshit some people post.

And you’re naive if you think there isn’t people who blag the system.

TigerRag · 14/10/2026 16:14

Dontcallmescarface · 14/10/2026 16:13

Fan-fucking-tasctic idea, now how do we get employers to employ disabled people when it will cost those employers more due to lost production when the employee needs to go to appointments, the cost of making the workplace accessible, and I don't just mean for those in wheelchairs. Do you have any idea how much a BSL interpreter costs per hour? (yes there are apps for that, but they don't work so well in group meetings). You can parrot all the "don't-pay-em -after-x-amount-of-months" line all you want but it means absolutely nothing when there is no workplace prepared to take on the additional costs of hiring a disabled person. So what then, deem them "too lazy" to find work and leave them to rot.

You forgot the access to work delays

Tri483 · 14/10/2026 16:14

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 16:09

I think you misunderstand.

Of course she knows what she wrote.

The same as what she'd written the 8yrs prior and wasn't awarded the car. Then suddenly...car.

The qualifying descriptors differ between DLA and PIP because you’re dealing with children and adults.

roaringdragon · 14/10/2026 16:14

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 16:05

Yeeeah, 12 yrs experience is a bit of a "gotcha" for some random banging on that you can't know what you're possibly talking about.

There's actually small drop in the transfer from DLA to pip because of applications as well. The 16yr olds can't be arsed with the pages and pages and pages to fill out. My DC only gets it because I did it all for him.

It really isn’t the gotcha you think it is if you don’t understand the differences between the eligibility criteria and think DLA just turns to PIP or near as. If you don’t want people to think you don’t understand, don’t post nonsense that shows you don’t understand.

Constantrunner · 14/10/2026 16:15

Most mobility aids you get for free, although a basic version. I am not even entitled to pip mobility and got a wheelchair, walker and canes for free. I did have to buy a mobility scooter though.
Generally if you are not entitled to these free, you shouldn't get mobility pip. I was assessed on my mobility before being given a walker.

ThreadGuardDog · 14/10/2026 16:16

roaringdragon · 14/10/2026 15:49

Not everyone receives their aid for free. They can cost to buy &/or maintain.
Assistance dogs cost money.
Care from another person can cost. Even if it is e.g. a family member providing the care for free, they may have e.g. the cost of a ticket for the person. Of they may need to fund a carer. Or they may need a taxi instead.

A person doesn’t have to already be receiving the care for them to qualify.

Can we just clear something up. PIP is not meant to cover the cost attached to needing help with specific activities or aids and appliances. It assesses a range of common daily living activities and mobility issues in order to assess how little or how much difficulty that person has in their everyday lives due to disability.

The award is based on the overall difficulty and the likely barriers to being able to participate in society to the same extent as someone without the disability. The clue is in the name - personal INDEPENDENCE payment. It can be spent in whatever way the disabled person feels best supports their condition and allows them to be as independent as possible on their own terms.

Hellohelga · 14/10/2026 16:16

I agree it should be means tested and the criteria should be tightened up. I think you’ll find this view is widespread outside of MN.

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 16:17

roaringdragon · 14/10/2026 16:14

It really isn’t the gotcha you think it is if you don’t understand the differences between the eligibility criteria and think DLA just turns to PIP or near as. If you don’t want people to think you don’t understand, don’t post nonsense that shows you don’t understand.

It's only you that wants to bang on about one having 20m criteria here and 50m criteria there as if it's night and day.

Most people think of pip and DLA interchangeably.

Constantrunner · 14/10/2026 16:17

And loads of people with chronic illnesses who are not entitled to pip and work go to a lot of appointments. It's not unusual once people hit 60.

Boomer55 · 14/10/2026 16:17

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 13:09

These threads are exhausting. Why can’t the genuine claimants understand there are some out there who exaggerate their symptoms ? My own sister is a genuine claimant, with a lifelong mental disability, she will never ever live alone, be able to bathe herself, prepare food for herself, nothing independent of my mum. But there ARE people claiming with high functioning asd/adhd who are very well capable of doing these things but saying they CAN’T. It’s very very naive of people to think those of us who know people who fucking brag about this are all lying.

I worked in benefits and disability, I did voluntary work in benefits and disability, and (in later life) I became disabled. I’m now retired.

I’ve voluntarily worked in food banks.

So, I’m not daft.

Yes, of course there are some scammers - there are scams on anything that lays out money.

The largest amount of fraud is in UC and single parent benefits.

So, why do people keep banging on about disability benefits. 🙄

frozendaisy · 14/10/2026 16:18

People should claim what they are entitled to (whilst it’s available)
and
Take advantage of tax breaks what they are entitled to (whilst rules apply)

If you don’t like the rules vote in a Party with different ones, not stating they will get in that’s democracy.

roaringdragon · 14/10/2026 16:18

ThreadGuardDog · 14/10/2026 16:16

Can we just clear something up. PIP is not meant to cover the cost attached to needing help with specific activities or aids and appliances. It assesses a range of common daily living activities and mobility issues in order to assess how little or how much difficulty that person has in their everyday lives due to disability.

The award is based on the overall difficulty and the likely barriers to being able to participate in society to the same extent as someone without the disability. The clue is in the name - personal INDEPENDENCE payment. It can be spent in whatever way the disabled person feels best supports their condition and allows them to be as independent as possible on their own terms.

I didn’t suggest PIP had to be spent specifically on support for that activity. I was just showing why someone might have extra costs because they cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid.

Constantrunner · 14/10/2026 16:20

If you are visually impaired the only cost of a dog is the food. They are free. Are people talking about emotional support animals when they say assistance dogs cost?

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