"Nearly all women who try to reach UK in small boats are raped during their journey, Home Secretary says"

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Well, this is absolutely sickening and terrifying. Those poor women and poor women and girls in the UK who will no doubt end up suffering too. Women's rights and safety seems to be the last thing that matters these days.

www.dailymail.com/news/article-16183281/Nearly-women-try-reach-UK-small-boats-raped-journey-home-secretary-says.html

The enemy Britain was fighting was not the British government.

I am sure a lot of anti-Nazi Germans did flee Germany.

Someone will point out "but British men are bad too. Here are the crimes they did".

But they don't seem to comprehend per capita and the fact we don't need to make the situation worse than it already is.

And some of the male illegal immigrants who have made it to the UK have raped and even murdered UK women.
I don't think any of us are confused about that, though thanks for collectively patronising us.

I still don’t understand why the rule isn’t applied - they can ONLY apply for asylum in the first safe country they reach. By the time they have got to France many of them have already applied and failed to get asylum in other countries. Or not bothered to apply because UK is a soft and more desirable target.

It is desperately sad but whilst our police, border services, courts and politicians are so incapable of enforcing effective asylum rules, whilst it’s so wide open to organised crime, we really have to make the country secure and shut down the routes that encourage this totally abhorrent traffic in vulnerable (and sometimes criminal/not vulnerable!) people.

If we can’t control it, we have to completely stop it.

I think what annoys people is how many countries the illegal immigrants travel through before arriving in England.
I would flee to the nearest safe country. Would you not do that?

I read a post earlier in the thread from someone who said that we don't need to make the situation worse just because some UK men are rapists. I don't know if this was you Fwio.
I totally agree though.

Yes, shut down the whole racket. We can't possibly accommodate all of those who want to flee their country of origin, not even close. We can help more people through our foreign aid budget. I'd be happy with that.

But importing military aged males into our country = hard no.

Accepting women from Afghanistan / Palestine on 'safe routes' won't wok either. There's not a chance in hell that they'd leave their sons behind, especially from countries that place such a high value on sons. If they're allowed to bring their families over (wait till the lawyers get to work on this), we could be talking about millions of people, like a giant chain migration. Recently a Palestinian woman won the right to bring 18 family members to the UK. No thank you.

I wish people would stop churning out this absolute shite.

There’s no evidence whatsoever that asylum seekers are more likely to be rapists than our own homegrown blokes. They’re also just as likely to become decent law abiding tax paying citizens as our homegrown folk, just as likely to shop in Asda, to do charity work and learn to play the bloody trumpet!

Shall we stop importing potential trumpet players and lawyers as well?

Yes, absolutely stop importing potential trumpet players and lawyers (definitely lawyers).

This country doesn't need more people. We have a million NEETS, thousands of over 50s struggling to find work and we are one of the most nature depleted countries in the world.

I always find that side of the argument very interesting.

I manage a recruitment business that specialises in education and & SENd support. Entry level roles paying £15 an hour. More for
experience/specific qualifications.

We advertise our vacancies to everyone, there’s no “must be a migrant,” the same terms and offers apply universally.

Workers from overseas origins apply at least ten times more than UK workers. At least. For some, we get close to 0 applicants from the UK and upwards of 50 for overseas staff.

They’re less likely to call in sick for a broken fingernail, they will travel wherever the work is, and they have every compliance document they need ready the very second you ask for it.

We have a work ethic problem, and until that’s resolved, many of our workplaces and sectors would be chronically understaffed.

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or just incredibly naive?

Just because British men are a threat to women does not mean it’s ok to import more men who are a threat to women.

Many, many of these men come from places where FGM, child marriage, marital rape and honour killings are accepted. Women and girls are not worth the 💩 on their shoe. Why oh why do you think these ingrained cultural practices are suddenly going to be abandoned once they reach the UK?

Even so called moderate Muslims still believe in segregation of the sexes, that women and girls must be modest, that the male is the decision maker in the family etc.

I’ve said it many times - it’s not colour, it’s culture. That’s the problem.

I work in a school next to an AS/refugee hotel. And yes, anecdotally, I would say that's correct. Some raped in every country they've travelled through, some from Iran via seven other counties over two years. Their children have more often than not also witnessed the abuse.

These are NOT refugees. Anyone who thinks they are should get themselves over to Sangatte, they'd learn a lot.

So if a man is gay in a country where homosexuality is illegal, he should stay and what?

fight what? What war? Why is military age relevant?

what about the Afghanistani’s who fought for the west, interpreted for us, interrogated for us, joined our side, and are now at risk from their own government for being traitors?

sons and their families of deposed regimes, who are seeing their friends and relatives “disappeared” and know they will likely be next.

none of these people can apply for a visa and hop on a plane, as that will sign their death sentence.

everyone talks about “military age males” .Some are seeking safety.

what I do agree with is we should massively speed up the processing of asylum claims and deport those not genuine, and get the genuine cases assimilated.

in ww2 where would people flee too? The whole of Europe was at war. You can bet though if we outlawed homosexuality with a penalty of death people would leave.

Many reasons. If you look at the stats a very small percentage actually continue here, the vast majority do stop.

an afghani who worked with the British army and is now at risk from his government might come here because he believes we will support him in return, or he has a better chance of an successful claim. Or it may be as simple as a working knowledge of English rather than French means he can understand the process, sort the legal documents, and eventually work and live knowing the language.

Perhaps if they stayed where they belong and did not criminally invade another country where they have contributed nothing then they would not get raped or molested.

And if Jane doe hadn’t gone to a frat party she wouldn’t have been gang raped.

bloody hell. The thought that anyone could somehow “deserve” a sexual assault.

But it isn't - there are clear agreements internationally about how asylum works, and each country and sub rules below that.

And until our birth rate increases (not gonna happen) we can either take younger fitter people in or pay more taxes.

Decisions not to build housing, treat veterans badly, cut health care etc are taken by govt after general elections. people vote for tax cutting govts. There are always consequences down the line.

If these illegal immigrants were likely to become lawyers or trumpet players, they would come here legally.
It's a worry for women that we have no idea who these men are. At least with british men we can do a Clare's law / Sarah's law request. We can't with illegal men. If you are that trustworthy, i'm worried on your behalf.

I’m pretty sure there is evidence, as well, isn’t there? Aren’t Afghan and specific other nationalities’ men supposed to be overrepresented in sexual assault perpetrator figures? I’m not sure how reliable those figures are, but I think there has been an attempt to investigate, hasn’t there?

Ah yes, the new 'I am gay so cannot be deported'.

Totally agree with you.

We have more than enough of our own problematic disturbed men.

Why the F do we need more problematic men who come from a culture where women are considered inferior? Absolutely recipe for disaster. This and previous governments should hang their heads in absolute shame for what they have done to this country and it's citizens.

The fact that the illegal immigrants have already commited a crime by coming here doesn't fill me with hope that they will be law abiding citizens. Maybe a mad view, but there we go!

To be fair I thought that’s what it meant. Should read the whole article but it’s all very depressing so I admit I haven’t.

They are coming here legally.

an asylum claim means they are here legally.

if you are in a situation in your home country because your life is in danger- let’s use my earlier example of an Afghani interpreter for the British army, now on “a list” with the afghani government and watching his colleagues “disappear”.

it takes fucking years to apply for residency in the uk. Lots of paperwork, minimum income or sponsorship etc. plus the minute you submit visa paperwork it flags to your government and chance are you’ll disappear before you reach the airport.

it is “safer”, relatively speaking, to just get yourself out any way you can, risk rape, dangerous journeys, traffickers to get to the uk and lodge and asylum claim. This is just as legal as remaining in Afghanistan and applying for your visa. And less likely to get yourself executed.

there’s one of those “999” episodes somewhere I suggest you watch. The police find an Iraqi (I think) man and his family with CO poisoning in the back of a lorry. His dad was a ranking politician in the previous regime, most of his colleagues and their families were taken one by one. He made the decision to leave before he was next.

genuine asylum seekers don’t just leave because they feel like a change or think they will have an easy life. Their lives are under threat.

and again, and asylum claim is “legal” immigration.