Kemi B - the best form of welfare is a well paying job...

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She is absolutely right isn't she? Discussing the triple lock pension challenge and instead focusing on getting people into work. Do you agree with her ? Working 3 or 6 or 9 hours to then top up with benefits isn't the way forward (not including disabilities in here )

Badenoch is a little miss perfect with her head up her own arse

Plus of course if you work for a small
local charity for example say that runs social groups for older people or after school clubs or employment projects for young ppl with learning difficulties, you are never going to be well paid or receive shares or a bonus but I assume Kemi would think the provision of the above matters even though the salaries of ppl delivering such services is low and they could probably get more in the private sector?

They pay as little as they can get away with. The only reason Tesco workers, etc aren’t downing tools and striking en masse is because the government props their wages up so they can survive. If this was pulled out from under their feet maybe Tesco would be forced to pay a better wage. In the mean time the government (taxpayer) effectively ensures that Tescos profits are maximised. Taxpayers shouldn’t be supplementing profits of private companies.

In a free market, rents would fall if noone could pay them.

Insults never make a good argument.

I think the brainwashed idiots are on the left

But surely nobody expects to lead a comfortable and prosperous life on a minimum wage job? They're fine for young people, students and those that are supported by a partner or family but if you want to earn more money, you need to get good at something to increae your value or work more hours - they're your options. Also, by it's nature, minimum wage will always be at the bottom of the earnings table. You could make it £100 an hour but people with skills and responsibility will rightfully demand £110, £120... etc and so minimum wage earners will always be the poorest. Not everyone can earn above the average.

Yes, I see adverts like that quite regularly. And I know what my former colleagues working in addiction services are paid. Self employed counsellors working with Better Help come out with about £18 an hour before tax and are expected to do admin outside sessions.

They'll only be told they are the architects of their own misfortune. According to the spectacularly out-of-touch Kemi Badenoch, if only they worked a bit harder, they too could be earning £100k a year and get free child nursery places.

The Conservatives could have sorted this out, when they were in power? IIRC, the limit of £100,000 has never been increased?

They didn’t. It’s funny there was a thread on this recently on MN? Did a Conservative bot start the thread to test the population’s reaction?

I think the brainwashed idiots are on the left

Have you looked at the unemployment stats lately? Read the news about middle aged people (skilled, qualified, experienced) struggling to find work when made redundant?

But not everyone is capable of a well paying job. And there aren't that many of them out there. And we still need people to collect the bins, do basic health care, be teaching assistants and shop assistants etc.

I don’t understand what you mean. What does “another competition” mean?
There are fewer jobs than people looking.

How are the two posts connected?

Or perhaps healthy able-bodied people should adapt and look for something new and learn to live within their means?

Another competitor

You stated "they're fine for young people, students and those that are supported by a partner or family but if you want to earn more money, you need to get good at something to increae your value or work more hours - they're your options"

I'm saying that people other than the young, students and those supported by others are having to take NMW jobs because there are not enough jobs.
Re-training (i.e get good at something) is the privilege of those who do not need to earn money to support themselves/familes.

Tory HQ are always on here, bit sad really, they must be so desperate.

Kemi makes absolutely no sense and is just not capable of leading the country.

One minute “Political parties now need to recruit those who have the stomach to say no to good causes when the resources simply are not there to do everything." The next let’s give those over £100k help with childcare!!!😳Let’s ignore the social care crisis, crumbling schools, an NHS on its knees due to decades of underfunding…..

She is completely deluded. The UK wants a leader actually prepared to sort out issues.

In theory yes if everyone could have well paying work that comfortably covered their expenses, kept a warm safe roof over their heads, left them with enough left over to save for the future and to enjoy some disposable income for leisure. A job that wasn't miserable and exploitative, that allowed for career development, training and progression, that that treated them with dignity and genuinely worked with people to help support them if they had additional needs, a disability or illness.

If inequality wasn't so stark and so many children were not deprived from birth, if those with the most actually paid into the system fairly instead of employing expensive professionals to help them evade tax. If there was a good well functioning health and care system available to all then maybe it would be totally fair to suggest that just getting a good job would be the answer but we all know that it isn't like that and that 14 years of Kemi's own party and their ruinous leadership underfunded and hollowed out public services in the UK.

So I think she is being very unreasonable.

OK - what competitors? There are more people looking for work than there are jobs. Employers can pick and choose, the unemployed have fewer options.

So you don’t want the country to have care workers, TAs, bin men…. how does that work?

All of which is regrettable and those people have my sympathy but presumably they only plan to stay on NMW for as long as they have to before (hopefully) being employed in something more befitting their abilities and experience? Even if they don't, are you suggesting that NMW should be much closer to what they previously earned to make the drop less painful?

Well paying jobs are ok for intellectuals but if someone has an intellectual disability, learning disabilities or just isn’t very intelligent then that’s out of reach and I feel these are the people who fall through the net the most as they are not disabled enough not to work, deemed not fit enough to raise a child which may have seen them housed and financially supported but not educated or intelligent enough to get a well paying job so they work hard for long hours for peanuts in unskilled jobs and many can’t afford a home on the wages and need these benefits as they’re often the only way they could manage to survive.

I was unemployed in the 90s before minimum wage. i remember seeing jobs in the Job Centre that were paying £1.50 an hour and £50 a week. So if you think employers would step up you are wrong.

These problems with low pay started with the abolition of the wages councils in 1993 After this wages in low income jobs plummeted. (see above)

Are ppl so naive that they think employers would step up if top up in work benefits and minimum wage disappeared tomorrow. Either people are too young to remember the wages councils or they dont learn from history.

https://researchonline.lse.ac.uk/id/eprint/5998/