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Kemi B - the best form of welfare is a well paying job...

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Oofftheflooff · 04/10/2026 09:18

She is absolutely right isn't she? Discussing the triple lock pension challenge and instead focusing on getting people into work. Do you agree with her ? Working 3 or 6 or 9 hours to then top up with benefits isn't the way forward (not including disabilities in here )

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EasternStandard · 08/10/2026 19:27

5128gap · 08/10/2026 13:39

Same. I'm only 20 years older than my oldest child. So if my health holds, they could be in their late 60s by the time they inherit, by which time I'd hope they'd be established and independent.
I will help them now when I can (though two of the three out earn me by some margin already), will pay for any care I need, pay my taxes, support my charities and enjoy my life. Which is exactly what they want me to do.

So they are getting the money already rather than it getting taxed as inheritance.

XenoBitch · 08/10/2026 19:33

CandyCrushLevel14809 · 07/10/2026 16:25

Are you seriously suggesting someone in SH give it up and move to seasonal (caravan) accommodation to earn NWM. Then what? You think that few months of work will mean someone doesn't need to claim welfare any more?

There was a thread on here a while back where a few people suggested that anyone unemployed should be removed from their homes, and forced to live in prison like conditions so grim that they would accept any job to get out.
They were serious too.

pointythings · 08/10/2026 20:04

XenoBitch · 08/10/2026 19:33

There was a thread on here a while back where a few people suggested that anyone unemployed should be removed from their homes, and forced to live in prison like conditions so grim that they would accept any job to get out.
They were serious too.

There are people who think bringing back workhouses is genuinely a good idea.

LathkillDale · 08/10/2026 20:52

AgeingMillennial · 07/10/2026 12:59

How do you know somebody who applies for the job because they need a job won’t be good at it? Many carers are low skilled workers from overseas who applied for a visa. What makes you think they’re passionate about care, but job hunters in the UK aren’t?

I have come across countless careworkers in the last 20 years, given turnover is generally 30% pa, where DD1 has been. I can tell if someone is good, the first time I see them with DD1. Where she lives does a 17 day induction course and there are 1,200 staff there. (I don’t know what proportion are care staff). I am sure they have the experience to tell, who is good or not, during that induction?

Menopausalsourpuss · 08/10/2026 22:19

pointythings · 07/10/2026 15:06

That assumes that employers would pay their staff fairly. Your belief in trickle down economics is touching, but the rewards of all that cheap labour will just flow straight to tax havens. Yes, we need to address the cost of housing etc, but letting businesses off the hook will be disastrous for everyone except shareholders.

Nope it doesn't assume anything it is basic economics, employers pay whatever they need to to get the staff. If supply of staff is lower (no mass immigration) wages go up. And if we didn't import a load of cheap Chinese tat (bad for the environment) and our energy wasn't the highest in the world, employers could afford to pay more and products works last longer even if they cost abit more.

pointythings · 09/10/2026 10:26

Menopausalsourpuss · 08/10/2026 22:19

Nope it doesn't assume anything it is basic economics, employers pay whatever they need to to get the staff. If supply of staff is lower (no mass immigration) wages go up. And if we didn't import a load of cheap Chinese tat (bad for the environment) and our energy wasn't the highest in the world, employers could afford to pay more and products works last longer even if they cost abit more.

That's trickle down economics and pure capitalism. Which has been shown to benefit only a few at the top. We have regulations because businesses cannot be trusted to act in the interests of their workforce. And if you allow that to continue, what you get is crime and civil unrest, which costs more. Pure unregulated capitalism doesn't work. Communism doesn't work. The balance lies somewhere in between.

JenniferBooth · 11/10/2026 14:09

XenoBitch · 08/10/2026 19:33

There was a thread on here a while back where a few people suggested that anyone unemployed should be removed from their homes, and forced to live in prison like conditions so grim that they would accept any job to get out.
They were serious too.

Including sex work?

LizzieW1969 · 11/10/2026 21:53

XenoBitch · 08/10/2026 19:33

There was a thread on here a while back where a few people suggested that anyone unemployed should be removed from their homes, and forced to live in prison like conditions so grim that they would accept any job to get out.
They were serious too.

I wonder whether they would still be of that opinion if they themselves were suddenly made redundant?

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