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Don’t put him on the birth certificate

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helpmeplease12345671 · 01/10/2026 20:32

I’m part of a single parent what’s app group and saw a soon to be mum was stating she was going to meet her ex as he wants to co parent. He was absent for a number of months but wants to play a part.

we know that guy is most likely not going to be involved in the life of that child long term etc.

Aibu for agreeing the birth certificate should keep him off it?

OP posts:
Livi13 · 04/10/2026 17:55

Wonderfrau · 04/10/2026 17:50

Are you not able to name the organisations that you have stated advise mothers to leave father’s name off Birth Certificates?

Women’s Aid, Refuge, many solicitors, the police and social services would advise this if there is good reason such as domestic abuse.

Wonderfrau · 04/10/2026 17:56

IceCreamCone543 · 04/10/2026 14:40

This was in relation to the post I made prior to this particular post where abuse etc had been mentioned. Sadly it is all too common for women to have their lives controlled for the next 18 years. Decisions not made in the best interests of the child and what could be good Decisions for the child being blocked. Just count yourself lucky that you and your loved ones have never experienced this. If you have a little look then I'm sure you would find the answer to the question you have asked...

I’ve ’had a little look’ and this is what the response was:

’No major official or mainstream UK family advocacy organisations officially advise mothers to leave a father's name off a birth certificate.’

please tell us what organisations give this advice?

Wonderfrau · 04/10/2026 17:57

Livi13 · 04/10/2026 17:55

Women’s Aid, Refuge, many solicitors, the police and social services would advise this if there is good reason such as domestic abuse.

Of course they would in a domestic violence situation! Duhhhhh! 🙄

Livi13 · 04/10/2026 18:26

Wonderfrau · 04/10/2026 17:57

Of course they would in a domestic violence situation! Duhhhhh! 🙄

There is no need to be so rude and say duhhhh.

It is sadly still the case that often women are not taken seriously or believed when there is rape, domestic violence or coercive control.

Women on this thread including myself have shared our own experiences and been told ‘they’d your fault’ and ‘you should have chosen better’.

In an ideal world both parents would be equally involved in their children lives and be loving and responsible parents.

However women by default have to give birth to the child and are in the vast majority of the more the main caregiver. There are far, far more absent, unreliable and uninvolved fathers than there are mothers.

Some men do use their parental responsibility to control the mother and child, even when they have no genuine interest in being involved in their children lives day to day care of the child. These situations can become terribly messy and damaging.

Wonderfrau · 04/10/2026 20:39

Livi13 · 04/10/2026 18:26

There is no need to be so rude and say duhhhh.

It is sadly still the case that often women are not taken seriously or believed when there is rape, domestic violence or coercive control.

Women on this thread including myself have shared our own experiences and been told ‘they’d your fault’ and ‘you should have chosen better’.

In an ideal world both parents would be equally involved in their children lives and be loving and responsible parents.

However women by default have to give birth to the child and are in the vast majority of the more the main caregiver. There are far, far more absent, unreliable and uninvolved fathers than there are mothers.

Some men do use their parental responsibility to control the mother and child, even when they have no genuine interest in being involved in their children lives day to day care of the child. These situations can become terribly messy and damaging.

Apologies, but I found your tone condescending and dismissive, so was simply matching your energy.

I have no idea why you are taking about women not being believed when there is rape etc. That is definitely not what this post is about.

It is true that some men try to use their children for control. It is also true that some women weaponise their children or attempt to alienate. In my experience, it is not always the man at fault and women can unfortunately be equally culpable in failing to make the best decisions for their children.

The OP suggests that the father should not appear on birth certificate because he left the woman and did not want a relationship/ignored her. Although she is undoubtedly upset, this is not reason to try and obtain the upper hand, before the baby is even born. He wants to co-parent. What is wrong with that?

I believe it is pretty toxic to believe that birthing the child alone should give the mother more rights, but it’s true that women are often the main caregivers, with the consequence that men are not. It is a shame that you judge all men by the ones you have direct experience of, but I don’t question your experience. Hopefully you will experience some responsible and loving single fathers in the future too.

An uninvolved father would have very limited opportunity to control the mother/child if he is absent/ not in contact. A Living With Order allows a parent to take the child on holiday abroad without consent from the other, if he is absent and cannot be traced or does not respond.

An uninvolved father, who is a pain in the arse, would be unlikely to have much success trying to force his will in Court.

An involved father can and should have input, even if it irritates the mother. If matters cannot be agreed, the Court can make a decision in the child’s best interests, which may not always be what the mother wants.

Neither the OP nor I are talking about a DV situation, which I have already advised is different.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 04/10/2026 21:02

Moosesmum · 04/10/2026 07:39

If she wants child support, he has to be on the birth certificate, if he isn't on it, he can claim the child isn't his and he doesn't have to pay.

This is so wrong it's laughable.

The woman names the father to CSM, they write to the father, if he denies parentage then he needs to arrange a DNA test, if the test comes back positive he pays maintenance and the cost of the test. If its negative then csm pays the test fee and all done. If he denies parentage but then doesn't do the DNA test (because he knew it was throwing money away) then csm works on presumption of parentage and he pays.

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Ok it delays things but the maintenance was back dated to when they first contacted him. It also ended up on an attachment of earnings

Ljbg · 05/10/2026 07:19

Baconisawesome · 01/10/2026 20:54

He is the father of course he should be on the birth certificate, no matter what the situation with the mum.

I don't understand this view. If he did not attend the registry office to register the childs birth, (which has to happen before six weeks of age ) he has lost interest in an incredibly short time, why does he have the right to be on the birth certificate.
As others have stated by being on that certificate he would have all manners of rights over the child whilst potentially never giving any real input.
How about if the father messes up the first 6 weeks then he can spend the next 6 years proving he's a fit parent, the he can pay to have the certificate amended!

Ljbg · 05/10/2026 07:29

I really need to learn to read all the op's posts before I comment 🫣. I stand by what I said in my previous comment but op there was no point in you asking your question. You have been quite aggressive in your response to those with a differing opinion, after asking for people's opinions.

Ljbg · 05/10/2026 07:37

helpmeplease12345671 · 01/10/2026 20:55

So someone who beats the mum should have parental rights?

FFS the babies not even born yet 🤦, honestly clearly too early for me to be commenting.
Sorry @Baconisawesome

Wonderfrau · 05/10/2026 11:09

helpmeplease12345671 · 01/10/2026 20:54

Apart from that time he walked out on her and ignored her….. then he washed his hands.

That doesn’t stop him from being a loving father to the child.

They can and should play their parts equally, as co-parents.

He has not been absent - the child is not even born yet!

He is absent from the mother, because he’s not with her any more.

How do you know he won’t hang around? Is he a friend of yours?

Please be careful with some WhatsApp groups that were originally intended to offer support and community. They can easily become toxic and unhelpful.

jacks11 · 05/10/2026 13:28

helpmeplease12345671 · 02/10/2026 06:57

No he can’t. I work in a solicitors office working with women’s aid and women needing to get control of their children’s lives

Edited

You are factually incorrect. I hope you are not giving out dubious legal advice to women on this group you are a member of. You clearly have very strong beliefs about what the rights & responsibilities of mothers vs fathers should be, but that you wish it to be so does not make it so.

The birth certificate is a legal document and, therefore, is required to be accurate (and therefore factual) unless there are compelling reasons why that is not the case. There are reasons it may not be fully completed- as the presence of the father is required at registration in order for him to be named if the parents are not married, for instance- but it cannot contain falsehoods- therefore it should be factual.

If the father was not present/named at the initial registration of the child’s birth, the parents can re-register the birth at a later date if they both agree.

If the mother will not agree to either the father being named on the birth certificate, or to him having parental responsibility (which he can get without being named on the birth certificate if both parties agree to it and a legal agreement is made), the father can absolutely can apply to the court to have a Declaration of Parentage granted, or to have Responsibility Order made. A Responsibility Order can be made where the child’s mother will not agree to the father bring granted parental responsibility. This does not automatically mean his name is added to the birth certificate. The mother cannot prevent him making either of these applications, though she can contest them. The court will have expected the father to have asked the mother to agree to re-register the birth with him named on the certificate- clear process for this. If she denies this request, he is then free to apply to the Court to seek to have the declaration made without her agreement.

If the court grants the Declaration of Parentage, the court will notify the Registry Office directly and the birth will be re-registered with his details on it. The mother cannot stop this once the declaration of parentage has been granted.

The court is unlikely to deny the application for Declaration of Parentage without good reason - because the principal is that it is the child’s certificate/information and not the mothers, and their best interests are paramount, not the mothers desired outcome. The general underlying reasoning is that it is usually in the child’s best interests to know- and have it in legal documentation- who their parents are, though the relevant legislation clearly recognises that this is not always the case and makes provision for that. But, the threshold for that is relatively high and the fact that the man in question may not have been supportive or have disappeared during the mothers pregnancy (and even the child’s earlier life) is usually not reason enough for the court to dismiss the application (even though it may make him a lousy individual).

As I said, there are reasons the court might deny the application to declare parentage or refuse to grant a Responsibility Order. These would include: if the father cannot prove paternity (e.g. he is using an unreliable DNA test to prove paternity and he refuses to agree to a court approved test). If the mother contests that he is the father, the court can demand a DNA test to establish paternity, if it feels that it is the child’s best interest that paternity is established, regardless of the mothers view; or if there is significant evidence that it is not in the child’s best interests to place the father on the birth certificate (e.g. if the parent is deemed to be a high risk to the child’s safety) the court may e
deny the application; if the court did not believe itself to have jurisdiction over the case (e.g. birth certificate not issued in this country) it can decline to proceed with the application; or, the application is made by someone other than the father (e.g. a grandparent).

The court is not going to refuse to grant the declaration order simply because the mother does not wish it, even in cases where she has been treated very shoddily by the father or where he has previously not shown much interest in the child. That is an issue to be dealt with when decisions about custody/contact are being established. If he has been absent from the child’s life for some time, any contact is almost certainly going to be supervised initially and only gradually increased over time- he isn’t going to get 50/50 custody immediately. And rightly so.

For a court to deny a declaration of parentage, there has to be a reason that is directly related to the child’s welfare, the mother’s wishes are not the highest priority in these matters. You work with women who may well have very good reason to believe their child might be put at risk by their father (or have evidence that the father has caused harm to the child)- the court would obviously want to look seriously at such concerns and if the court believed those claims substantiated they may refuse to issue the declaration of parentage. But that is relatively uncommon. If you work with women who have been victims of violence and abuse, it is not hard to imagine that your experience of such cases is somewhat skewed- they do have reason that the court would recognise as a good basis to object to the declaration being made. Therefore, the court is more likely to reject these applications than on average. But it is highly inaccurate to claim that a father cannot apply to Jace the certificate changed, or that the courts rarely grant applications that are made.

I understand the reasoning behind the wish to leave paternity off their child’s birth certificate (obviously some will not have been able to initially if the father refused to attend the registration)- but I do believe the principal of children knowing who their parents are is correct, unless there is very good evidence that doing so places the child at risk. Mums feelings towards the father are, in the legal sense, not relevant and nor should they be. It is about the child’s rights and best interests.

Baconisawesome · 05/10/2026 19:11

Ljbg · 05/10/2026 07:19

I don't understand this view. If he did not attend the registry office to register the childs birth, (which has to happen before six weeks of age ) he has lost interest in an incredibly short time, why does he have the right to be on the birth certificate.
As others have stated by being on that certificate he would have all manners of rights over the child whilst potentially never giving any real input.
How about if the father messes up the first 6 weeks then he can spend the next 6 years proving he's a fit parent, the he can pay to have the certificate amended!

Sorry I may have read it wrong, I don’t think the birth had actually took place yet in this instance

Baconisawesome · 05/10/2026 19:12

Ljbg · 05/10/2026 07:37

FFS the babies not even born yet 🤦, honestly clearly too early for me to be commenting.
Sorry @Baconisawesome

No harm, no foul.. it’s difficult to keep
up at times 😊

Wonderfrau · 05/10/2026 19:52

jacks11 · 05/10/2026 13:28

You are factually incorrect. I hope you are not giving out dubious legal advice to women on this group you are a member of. You clearly have very strong beliefs about what the rights & responsibilities of mothers vs fathers should be, but that you wish it to be so does not make it so.

The birth certificate is a legal document and, therefore, is required to be accurate (and therefore factual) unless there are compelling reasons why that is not the case. There are reasons it may not be fully completed- as the presence of the father is required at registration in order for him to be named if the parents are not married, for instance- but it cannot contain falsehoods- therefore it should be factual.

If the father was not present/named at the initial registration of the child’s birth, the parents can re-register the birth at a later date if they both agree.

If the mother will not agree to either the father being named on the birth certificate, or to him having parental responsibility (which he can get without being named on the birth certificate if both parties agree to it and a legal agreement is made), the father can absolutely can apply to the court to have a Declaration of Parentage granted, or to have Responsibility Order made. A Responsibility Order can be made where the child’s mother will not agree to the father bring granted parental responsibility. This does not automatically mean his name is added to the birth certificate. The mother cannot prevent him making either of these applications, though she can contest them. The court will have expected the father to have asked the mother to agree to re-register the birth with him named on the certificate- clear process for this. If she denies this request, he is then free to apply to the Court to seek to have the declaration made without her agreement.

If the court grants the Declaration of Parentage, the court will notify the Registry Office directly and the birth will be re-registered with his details on it. The mother cannot stop this once the declaration of parentage has been granted.

The court is unlikely to deny the application for Declaration of Parentage without good reason - because the principal is that it is the child’s certificate/information and not the mothers, and their best interests are paramount, not the mothers desired outcome. The general underlying reasoning is that it is usually in the child’s best interests to know- and have it in legal documentation- who their parents are, though the relevant legislation clearly recognises that this is not always the case and makes provision for that. But, the threshold for that is relatively high and the fact that the man in question may not have been supportive or have disappeared during the mothers pregnancy (and even the child’s earlier life) is usually not reason enough for the court to dismiss the application (even though it may make him a lousy individual).

As I said, there are reasons the court might deny the application to declare parentage or refuse to grant a Responsibility Order. These would include: if the father cannot prove paternity (e.g. he is using an unreliable DNA test to prove paternity and he refuses to agree to a court approved test). If the mother contests that he is the father, the court can demand a DNA test to establish paternity, if it feels that it is the child’s best interest that paternity is established, regardless of the mothers view; or if there is significant evidence that it is not in the child’s best interests to place the father on the birth certificate (e.g. if the parent is deemed to be a high risk to the child’s safety) the court may e
deny the application; if the court did not believe itself to have jurisdiction over the case (e.g. birth certificate not issued in this country) it can decline to proceed with the application; or, the application is made by someone other than the father (e.g. a grandparent).

The court is not going to refuse to grant the declaration order simply because the mother does not wish it, even in cases where she has been treated very shoddily by the father or where he has previously not shown much interest in the child. That is an issue to be dealt with when decisions about custody/contact are being established. If he has been absent from the child’s life for some time, any contact is almost certainly going to be supervised initially and only gradually increased over time- he isn’t going to get 50/50 custody immediately. And rightly so.

For a court to deny a declaration of parentage, there has to be a reason that is directly related to the child’s welfare, the mother’s wishes are not the highest priority in these matters. You work with women who may well have very good reason to believe their child might be put at risk by their father (or have evidence that the father has caused harm to the child)- the court would obviously want to look seriously at such concerns and if the court believed those claims substantiated they may refuse to issue the declaration of parentage. But that is relatively uncommon. If you work with women who have been victims of violence and abuse, it is not hard to imagine that your experience of such cases is somewhat skewed- they do have reason that the court would recognise as a good basis to object to the declaration being made. Therefore, the court is more likely to reject these applications than on average. But it is highly inaccurate to claim that a father cannot apply to Jace the certificate changed, or that the courts rarely grant applications that are made.

I understand the reasoning behind the wish to leave paternity off their child’s birth certificate (obviously some will not have been able to initially if the father refused to attend the registration)- but I do believe the principal of children knowing who their parents are is correct, unless there is very good evidence that doing so places the child at risk. Mums feelings towards the father are, in the legal sense, not relevant and nor should they be. It is about the child’s rights and best interests.

Edited

This 100%

It is about the children’s best interests, not about mothers getting control.

It is quite worrying - that some PPs suggest that fathers need to prove themselves before a legal document records the factual situation. The BC does not measure the quality of either parent.

Some PPs even seem to think it’s up to the mother to decided whether the father has PR! 😬

NotSmallButFunSize · 05/10/2026 20:17

God no, do not add deadbeat or abusive fathers to the birth certificate.

Have seen first hand the use of "parental rights" becoming a new way to abuse the mother - refusing to return babies after contact, controlling aspects of what she can do with the baby.... Just don't do it.

Wonderfrau · 06/10/2026 08:11

NotSmallButFunSize · 05/10/2026 20:17

God no, do not add deadbeat or abusive fathers to the birth certificate.

Have seen first hand the use of "parental rights" becoming a new way to abuse the mother - refusing to return babies after contact, controlling aspects of what she can do with the baby.... Just don't do it.

No suggestion that this guy is either deadbeat or abusive.

He wants to co-parent 🤷‍♀️

BrezhnevsLuxuriantEyebrows · 06/10/2026 12:38

Wonderfrau · 06/10/2026 08:11

No suggestion that this guy is either deadbeat or abusive.

He wants to co-parent 🤷‍♀️

Yes, I realise that there are appalling cases where a pregnancy is a result of rape and/or DV has begun or escalated as a direct result of seeking to control and abuse somebody because she is pregnant and so more vulnerable... but I get the impression that some women willingly make babies with men who aren't committed to them and who (to the best of their knowledge) are not abusive; but then have misgivings, based mainly on that lack of established commitment to each other, and then go from a baseline of expecting the man to 'prove himself' before they will 'allow' him to be recognised as the father of their joint child. You chose to have sex with him only 9 months ago (or less, if the baby has yet to be born), but now you're already convinced that he's a deadbeat?

Ultimately, it is the child who suffers from having one or two parents who decided to conceive them without caring about the secure parenthood foundation into which they would be born.

I'm not talking about relationships that subsequently go bad over time and break down; but why you wouldn't even want to start at the beginning with that confidence is completely beyond me.

Lexibletheflexible · 06/10/2026 19:34

IceCreamCone543 · 04/10/2026 10:00

If you say so... you are making some rather broad assumptions here, of course. What about all of the many fathers who simply choose to basically ignore their children if there is a split? Some as soon as they are in another relationship and others prior to this? They can basically cut their children out of their lives. It does indeed work both ways here... Or does it not work that way in your world?

Im saying that a man who is happy to not let his kids have his surname at all is much more likely to dump his kids when the relationship breaks down

Lexibletheflexible · 06/10/2026 19:40

IceCreamCone543 · 04/10/2026 09:58

As I have already said, it does not work that way. At all.

Afraid it does. That advise to leave men off the BC was popular at one point but was quickly discredited as an attempt at parental alienation in the Father's for Justice era

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