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To ask if you watched Andy Burnham’s bloody good speech?

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Househunt2026 · 30/09/2026 21:48

As in actually watched it and didn’t just doom scroll the commentary? It was bold and honest and pragmatic and actually made me hopeful that we have someone at the helm with a vision for a better tomorrow who has Britain’s best interests at heart.

The National Care Service is a masterstroke, paid for out of scrapping the triple lock and the very real savings of reducing NHS bills on A&E and hospital beds for elderly who should be in care but have nowhere to go.

Scrapping right to buy and increasing council control of housing, boosting the technical education track for young people, pushing renewables, nuclear and energy sovereignty, public control of key utilities for water to get bills down and reduce pollution, investing in people & getting them back to work, leasehold reform by Christmas and everyone’s energy bill will be reduced by fast tracking decoupling energy prices from global gas pricing and by having no VAT on energy bills by TOMORROW!

You can watch the whole thing here and be directly informed instead of getting your perspective filtered through all the bots and misinformation peddlers online m.youtube.com/watch?v=jyjTT_55Gi0

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BIossomtoes · Today 13:13

Hedgerowmanager · Today 13:04

The thing is though that other posters are not under any obligation to follow your posts.

So there is no need for PP to police your posts.

I might be tempted to report her post as well if I were you.

For what? Asking a question? I’ve asked MNHQ to remove it.

Hedgerowmanager · Today 13:29

BIossomtoes · Today 13:13

For what? Asking a question? I’ve asked MNHQ to remove it.

Asking a goady question.

NorthXNorthWest · Today 14:00

5128gap · Today 06:19

Andy Burnham doesn't need all the answers. He just needs the will for change and to listen to those who are experts in the field. And of course, the funds. Which will be the biggest hurdle.
There are cost effective ways of delivering support and early intervention through third sector partners, where government input can be matched with input from trusts and grant making bodies, and I'd like to see this explored. There is much excellent work being done in communities, addressing financial and digital exclusion, financial literacy, job skills training. Usually done on a shoe string. A little investment there goes a long way.
I'd like to see consultation with professional experts and people themselves so measures are taken with people not done to them.
And no, we don't have limited funds as a country. But there's a great deal of wealth here nonetheless and some of those who hold it are increasing it at alarming rates. I think we do need wealth and asset taxes rather than squeezing the middle and dragging the poor into deeper poverty.
And I think we need a level of acceptance of the demographic of our population. We are aging and sick. Rates of disability and health conditions are very high, and worryingly the numbers of disabled children is on an upward trajectory. So realistically we are inevitably going to carry a high welfare burden and do need to have conversations that go beyond stereotypes of the workshy, 'cut benefits' as the cure all, and understand where the welfare budget actually goes, and how many people are actually in the group where savings could be made by support and intervention, and how much this will actually save.

Thanks for your reply. I agree with much of it, especially backing community work that already delivers on a shoestring. My concern is less about intent than delivery. Good intentions aren't enough, so I'd like to test a few points.

Andy Burnham doesn't need all the answers. He just needs the will for change and to listen to those who are experts in the field.

I agree he doesn't need every answer himself. But he does need a capable team and a credible plan for delivery, funding and results.

There are cost effective ways of delivering support and early intervention through third sector partners, where government input can be matched with input from trusts and grant making bodies, and I'd like to see this explored.

It could work, but many third-sector organisations already struggle with funding, staffing, quality, governance and skills. Where does the extra capacity come from? Unless charitable funding is genuinely additional, there is an opportunity cost to other causes. Asking others to help pay doesn't tackle government inefficiency. It spreads the cost without addressing the waste.

Whether delivery is public, private or charitable, I want value for money in the short, medium and long term, especially with taxpayers' money. Changing the provider or funding source doesn't automatically improve execution (HS2 being one example). What would these proposals achieve? How would they support growth and productivity? What are the possible unintended consequences, and how do we mitigate them? No administration has a great track record on this.

There is much excellent work being done in communities, addressing financial and digital exclusion, financial literacy, job skills training. Usually done on a shoe string. A little investment there goes a long way.

I would welcome more of that. But how do we fund in and expand what works through a structure that minimises waste?

I'd like to see consultation with professional experts and people themselves so measures are taken with people not done to them.

And how do we reach people who won't engage? Engagement is an issue too.

We are aging and sick.

An ageing population brings costs, but it also includes many people with time, experience and skills to contribute. Many retirees could volunteer in the community initiatives you describe. My concern is with the wider rhetoric, not anything you've said personally. Portraying pensioners as wealth hoarders for staying in their homes or having private pensions risks discouraging their involvement and creating resentment. If we want stronger communities, we should encourage cooperation. Not pit different group against each other. Such a waste.

The healthier people are at every stage of their lives cost less it cost the economy free up resources for other areas. What we doing about sickness related productivity issue outside of the elderly.

And no, we don't have limited funds as a country. But there's a great deal of wealth here nonetheless and some of those who hold it are increasing it at alarming rates. I think we do need wealth and asset taxes rather than squeezing the middle and dragging the poor into deeper poverty.

Who counts as wealthy? Which assets would be taxed? Private wealth isn’t the same as unlimited public funds, and I don’t think poverty increasing can all be attributed to the wealth held by others. What are we trying to achieve, and what is the best way to do it? We need to be clearer than “tax the wealthy”.
Don’t get me wrong: wealth disparity absolutely needs addressing. But I am cynical about Labour’s approach. We still lack clarity about what may be proposed. We appear to have gone from “fully costed” to fully in the dark!
What is the economic cost when businesses delay investment, hiring and expansion until after the Budget? Prolonging that uncertainty is economic self-harm, IMO.

So realistically we are inevitably going to carry a high welfare burden and do need to have conversations that go beyond stereotypes of the workshy, 'cut benefits' as the cure all, and understand where the welfare budget actually goes.

It's two-way street. It isn’t just those on benefits who are judged. Workers and people without disabilities also have their struggles dismissed as greedy, selfish or privileged. For every post calling them spongers there is an equal an opposite telling a struggling working hanging on by their their fingertips "privileged". “At least you’re well enough to work” and “You can have my disability”... Nice. So I don't think it helps to portray those on benefits as the victims and everyone else as the villains. I agree we need to understand genuine health needs, welfare spending and what intervention can achieve. We also need realistic expectations of support and an honest discussion about personal responsibility, which costs are shared and how much others should contribute. Supporting people and scrutining costs isn't mutually exclusive.

Nothing above tackles the thorny issue of growth and productivity. IMV, that is one of the biggest flaws in socialism. You need people who aspire to more than the minimum to drive productivity, build businesses and generate the tax revenue that keeps the welfare state functioning. "For the greater good" or is not a good enough reason to go the extra mile for many people.

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · Today 15:06

NorthXNorthWest · Today 11:33

I agree it is a bit chicken and egg. Less tribal politics might attract more capable and, for me most importantly, pragmatic people. Give them a fair chance, then judge what they actually do. That’s where I am with the current offerings.

My frustration is with politicians who claim empathy but expect others to bear the cost, or wage class crusades while enjoying the advantages they condemn in others. It’s also with the debate itself. Question a policy and you can be labelled right or far-right without anyone answering your question. Or my favourite: “but the Conservatives did this”. Sure, their record deserves scrutiny, but using it to deflect does not tell us whether the current proposals will work.

I agree abuse can put good people off. But we need to be able to disagree without it making us a bad person or a supporter of whichever party is now considered the enemy. Being held accountable does not automatically mean you are being attacked.

I want public money spent responsibly, a reasonable safety net, growth and productivity. I don’t see that combination in the current lot. People are swept up by AB’s conviction, but conviction is a double-edged sword if you won’t change course when the evidence says you should, or can’t get your own backbenchers to accept it. Pragmatism trumps political ideology in my book.

Thanks for such a thoughtful, articulate reply.
I agree with everything you’ve said - although I guess my own ideological biases would have me frame it more along the parallel lines of:

Ultimately, I want to see a properly funded state, with a proper social safety net, and sustainable growth that works for the whole country, not just those already at the top. So, my own frustration is with populist, right-wing politicians who claim you can make sweeping cuts without cost-shifting elsewhere. And it sometimes feels like the moment you advocate for structural reform, wealth redistribution, or stronger public services, you are immediately shut down and labelled as naive, stupid, a spiteful class warrior or a “Burnham fan-girl” instead of receiving a serious counterargument.

So, I think we ultimately agree albeit from slightly differing perspectives!

One thing I would say I loved about the Prime Minister’s speech is he didn’t make one single snide, mud-slinging dig at an opposition politician, and I would love to see all political leaders across the left-right spectrum follow his lead on that.

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