Would you vote for Labour/Getting rid of Triple Lock at the next general election?

[mybiggreenfrog]

Yes (YABU)
No (YANBU)

My understanding was that it will cover the care element of care home fees, while hotel services will continue to be means tested.

It’ll probably play well with some. It’s just more Labour spite as you say.

Burnham and Co are pretty far from being communists! That just as ridiculous as saying reform are fascists.

I've only ever voted Labour, but I think I'm done with it. Its just an endless round of wealth redistribution with no plan to actually make this country richer, and pandering to the benefit class. I'm working class, which meant my whole family worked for what we have. Until Labour focuses on the rights and rewards of actual work, I'm done.

So what do you think care homes owners will do?

Do you know what's happened with free nursery hours? it's so very far from free.

CH will increase boarding element, there won't be any difference in costs people pay. Just more taxes and less pensions

I think care homes will be regulated. And not before time, they’re currently a licence to print money.

It doesn't mean that at all- talk about misleading. The long-term ownership remains with the owner.

Yep, the council would only take on management, and for no more than 7 years at that, ownership remains with the long-term owner.

I play sports, go to the theatre and watch TV, they aren't mutually exclusive! I really doubt there are many people who fall into that category and I'm sick of paying for those freeloaders as at the end of the day like shop lifting, the price is just increased for the rest of us! Besides, you don't pay with catch up and Netflix etc. there are caveats so those folk that are moaning about being 'victims'- fear not!

And I doubt they'd want to take on houses in probate due to the cost and legal complexity/risk involved.

Equally, if you read the details which many are averse to on here- prefer spectacle politics, there are different rules for properties that are unoccupied following the death of someone.

But it means the owner has no control over there own property including not being able to sell. Empty houses already pay double council tax after 6 months. Commandeering assets belonging to others is just plain wrong and akin to stealing.

This could be taken to extremes. I don’t want the pensioner delivering my newspaper to help make ends meet subject to extra taxation.

I would rather see NI paid by higher and additional ratepaying pensioners, and yes that hits close to home.

Never voted Labour and never will.

Agree. Don’t force a fee, it’s more of the same. The BBC can sell its own services as other providers do.

If you have a house that has an order placed on it, bearing in mind it is still the property of the owner, the house could be returned to you in a better state, repaired and decorated, ready for the owner to rent out.

In London there has been a 50% in empty properties since 2016, this is completely unacceptable and infuriating when you are born and bred Londoner who has had to leave London as someone is getting rich sitting on an empty property as an asset!

Rent (minus management fees) goes to the owner, and I imagine if the seller said they wanted to sell the council would be only too delighted not to have to look after the property and see it fall into disrepair, which is the ultimate aim...

It's a last resort, not a first resort.

You are misrepresenting the process though:

Step 1- Council thinks it has grounds to make an EDMO, notify the owner and ask them if they have any plans to bring it back into use.

Step 2- Owner (not obligated to) demonstrates they are actively pursuing plans to bring the property back into use.

Step 3- Council take into account number of caveats including if it's someone's main home and they have moved out temporarily, holiday home, home is going to be sold or let, going through probate etc.

Step 4- council are confident non of the above apply but have to get approval from an independent property tribunal before they can administer an EDMO.

Step 5- Owner cab appeal to the tribunal on a number of matters

Step 6- Owner can end the order early by deciding to live in it or sell it. I suppose living in it a bit hard to do if you own a property, deliberately leaving it empty for investment purposes.

TRIPLE lock is becoming DOUBLE lock, meaning pensions rise annually by 2.5% or inflation, whichever is higher.

Some of the responses I've seen would have you believe the state pension is being removed!

At my work pay increase last year was 2%. Get a grip.

A link to longer term average earnings increases will also be maintained. That is much smoother and more predictable than a year-by-year adjustment.

The triple lock is a luxury as a nation we cannot afford financially, neither is having 4.5,6 + kids and expecting the working population to fund them. This is white, black and brown people. I live in a socially deprived area and it’s beyond shocking. Great grand children not seeing parents work, grandparents work and so on.

But even the 2 years rule is barely used. We know of houses that have been empty for a couple of decades. My mothers' best friend's house has been empty for 18 years since she went into a care home and everyone knows she won't be coming out back to her house as she's now over 100!

Look at the Homes Under the Hammer and Great House Giveaway TV programs - most of the houses sold at auction shown on them have clearly been empty for far longer than 2 years - again, some have clearly been empty for decades.

I think the six month rule may give family/councils/will beneficiaries a kick up the bum to deal with things a lot sooner than they currently do.

Far too many decent neighbours whose homes are blighted by virtually derelict homes next door.

Yup, but some people don't like the facts and just make assumptions as to how things will work.

I agree, they can be a eyesores and health hazards with rats and mice.

I think the person you are responding to is a landlord with a property portfolio.