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Would you vote for Labour/Getting rid of Triple Lock at the next general election?

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mybiggreenfrog · 30/09/2026 10:13

Yes (YABU)
No (YANBU)

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BIossomtoes · 30/09/2026 19:43

EasternStandard · 30/09/2026 19:41

Here you go @DdraigGoch

That’s more than two years out of date.

DdraigGoch · 30/09/2026 20:39

Teddybear23 · 30/09/2026 14:48

Every time Labour has been in power they have left the country bankrupt.

Did you miss Trussnomics?

The Tories nearly trebled the national debt.

DdraigGoch · 30/09/2026 20:51

Theolittle · 30/09/2026 16:47

Do you think other countries will provide your children with a better state pension without the country having a similarly huge debt?

or are you just bothered that they might be paying taxes to fund people who through disability or ill health take more from the state than they give?

The Norweigans have the largest state pension fund in the world. Amazing what you can do when you invest the proceeds from extracting natural resources rather than squandering it.

EasternStandard · 30/09/2026 20:51

january1244 · 30/09/2026 19:55

@BIossomtoesits been pretty widely published that they cost more. He’s something from ten months ago https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/28/quelling-public-disquiet-hotels-worth-extra-cost-housing-refugees-barracks-says-government

Thanks for the link @january1244

PinkFruitbat · 30/09/2026 20:57

caringcarer · 30/09/2026 11:19

I'd never ever vote Labour no matter what they promise. They have bankrupt the country and cranked up tax and borrowing too many times for me to ever trust them. One of the first things they did when they got in power was to raise benefits. Spending so much money and creating so much additional debt is totally unfair on our children and grandchildren who will inherit all this debt. I know Conservatives added debt but Labour take it to another level. I'm coming up to state pension age but don't mind about triple or double lock. I think spending on all areas need reigning in. We need Reform UK to cut welfare spending by imposing a cap that no person on benefits gets more than a person who works full time on minimum wage. At the same time increase personal allowances so workers benefit and work is incentivised. We need to opt out of EHCR and adopt A British Bill of Rights. We need to make the NHS a National Health Service as it was supposed to be not an International service. Any non UK citizens should pay up front for treatment or have medical insurance cover the full cost. Too many people from overseas take treatment then skip off overseas and don't pay their bill. We need to cut interest on student loans. We need to cut back the Civil Service to numbers before COVID. We need to cap the amount of employers pension to say 15 percent for Civil Servants but instead pay them that money as higher salary to stop them claiming UC top ups. We need to stop PIP payments to people who only have ADHD, mild anxiety or other less serious issues and focus resources on the most disabled. We need to make people who want UC top ups to work at least 30 hours per week. We need free child care for people going out to work for 1-4 year olds if they work 40 hours. Work less and pay their own child care. We need more after school clubs run by child care people. I'd like care leavers to be given a £5k start up at 18 then £2k for 3 years. We need to stop the boats. We need to increase spending on defence. I'd like a better mental health service that doesn't leave a gap between child services and adult services. We need a smaller state. I know no party will do all of this but Reform UK is closest to the things on my wish list. I would like the next government whoever they are to start to repay the massive debt as at the moment far too much income tax collected is simply wasted on servicing the UK debt.

Agree.

One of the first things Labour did was introduce VAT on private school fees. They introduced it mid-year for maximum harm, after minimal consultation. The VAT is also added to additional learning support. That’s a direct tax on disabled SEN kids. Shameful. The impact on the number of kids leaving for state schools or home education is higher than predicted. As are the number of schools closed and teaching and other staff displaced. Already the cost is greater than the taxes collected in Scotland, and soon this will be the case for the rest of the UK. Labour did this out of hatred, spite, and confused ideology. It has had a huge impact to my family already. I despise them for doing this, and shame on anyone who supports it. It’s part of the national psyche to destroy and break nice things. No way the country gets better with this socialist cancer.

DdraigGoch · 30/09/2026 21:05

ilovesooty · 30/09/2026 18:26

I agree that pensioners who get an income from any form of employment should pay NI.

Not just employment income, any income. Why should passive income from investments be treated differently?

ilovesooty · 30/09/2026 21:08

DdraigGoch · 30/09/2026 21:05

Not just employment income, any income. Why should passive income from investments be treated differently?

Oh it shouldn't, agreed. I mentioned income from employment because I haven't had to pay it since I reached state pension age, and it doesn't feel like a fair policy.

DdraigGoch · 30/09/2026 21:09

EasternStandard · 30/09/2026 19:41

Here you go @DdraigGoch

Were these sites barracks? Were they using the former accommodation at RAF Scampton or just using the site as a location to build portakabins on? If they were barracks, did they need much in the way of renovations? So many variables, you can't extrapolate from these cock-ups (made under the Tories, I note) to say that they're applicable to future schemes.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 30/09/2026 21:13

We need to opt out of EHCR and adopt A British Bill of Rights
The Human Rights Act was meant to be a British Bill of Rights. It's British judges interpreting the ECHR In ways that make it impossible to deport people. There are countries who are signatories to ECHR who are far stricter than we are and not stopped by the ECHR from doing so. Just like Brexit our problems are our own and instead of dealing with them we just decide it's someone else's fault and carry on.

PinkFruitbat · 30/09/2026 21:18

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 30/09/2026 21:13

We need to opt out of EHCR and adopt A British Bill of Rights
The Human Rights Act was meant to be a British Bill of Rights. It's British judges interpreting the ECHR In ways that make it impossible to deport people. There are countries who are signatories to ECHR who are far stricter than we are and not stopped by the ECHR from doing so. Just like Brexit our problems are our own and instead of dealing with them we just decide it's someone else's fault and carry on.

The UK was one of the key authors of the European Convention of Human Rights, and the first nation to sign it. It would be a tragedy to leave it and a complete mistake. Don’t fall for this ruse that we need to leave it, I implore you!

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 30/09/2026 21:21

PinkFruitbat · 30/09/2026 21:18

The UK was one of the key authors of the European Convention of Human Rights, and the first nation to sign it. It would be a tragedy to leave it and a complete mistake. Don’t fall for this ruse that we need to leave it, I implore you!

I agree. The ECHR is not the problem. Neither was the EU ( The UK also proposed most of the ' elf n Safety' regulations) If we leave the ECHR our problems will still exist because they are caused by our useless governments.

Crocsarentslippers · 30/09/2026 21:40

Some absolutely hilariously, unhinged opinions about Labour in this thread, it's actually made me laugh out loud.

DdraigGoch · 30/09/2026 22:05

Crocsarentslippers · 30/09/2026 21:40

Some absolutely hilariously, unhinged opinions about Labour in this thread, it's actually made me laugh out loud.

Apparently we're now living in a "communist dictatorship"

BIossomtoes · 30/09/2026 22:41

DdraigGoch · 30/09/2026 22:05

Apparently we're now living in a "communist dictatorship"

😂

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 30/09/2026 22:45

Crocsarentslippers · 30/09/2026 21:40

Some absolutely hilariously, unhinged opinions about Labour in this thread, it's actually made me laugh out loud.

It’s quite bizarre and so unlike anything I’ve experienced in real life. Amongst my own friends and family, we all have differing, and ever shifting political opinions - I don’t know if I’ve ever really spoken to anyone adamantly for or adamantly against every single thing any one political party ever says or does.

ilovesooty · 30/09/2026 23:04

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 30/09/2026 22:45

It’s quite bizarre and so unlike anything I’ve experienced in real life. Amongst my own friends and family, we all have differing, and ever shifting political opinions - I don’t know if I’ve ever really spoken to anyone adamantly for or adamantly against every single thing any one political party ever says or does.

I don't know anyone in real life whatever their political persuasion, who shoehorns criticism of Labour into every discussion as doggedly as some posters on here do.

BIossomtoes · 30/09/2026 23:06

ilovesooty · 30/09/2026 23:04

I don't know anyone in real life whatever their political persuasion, who shoehorns criticism of Labour into every discussion as doggedly as some posters on here do.

I don’t know anyone so tribal that’s for sure. I’m married to a lifelong Tory who is really impressed with Burnham’s speech yesterday.

EasternStandard · 01/10/2026 07:17

ilovesooty · 30/09/2026 23:04

I don't know anyone in real life whatever their political persuasion, who shoehorns criticism of Labour into every discussion as doggedly as some posters on here do.

Or put this in every post.

EasternStandard · 01/10/2026 07:19

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 30/09/2026 22:45

It’s quite bizarre and so unlike anything I’ve experienced in real life. Amongst my own friends and family, we all have differing, and ever shifting political opinions - I don’t know if I’ve ever really spoken to anyone adamantly for or adamantly against every single thing any one political party ever says or does.

The posts for the last gov were more so, but if you’ve just joined then you probably missed that. Still are in some cases.

But yes rl political discussion and mn isn’t the same thing.

PinkFruitbat · 01/10/2026 07:27

It was a good speech.

However most of what he discussed is not deliverable this side of a general election.

Indeed the FT is reporting the NCS won’t come in until the late 2030s.

I think his political capital will melt away much sooner. As a tax rising budget, combined with increased winter fuel and energy costs kick in.

BlossomLeaves · 01/10/2026 07:28

I wouldn’t vote against it, but relative positions on our relationship with Europe is likely to be the vote decider for me at the next election. (Plus electoral reforms)

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 01/10/2026 07:30

EasternStandard · 01/10/2026 07:19

The posts for the last gov were more so, but if you’ve just joined then you probably missed that. Still are in some cases.

But yes rl political discussion and mn isn’t the same thing.

Yes, I was on Mumsnet years & years ago - and am only recently back, so missed anything said about the last government (I think we’ve been through 6-7 Prime Minister’s since I was last here!). I think the tone was a bit different then - but am learning the ropes!

I guess it’s always going to be the case that the people posting online about politics will have more strongly held views than most people in the real world.

EasternStandard · 01/10/2026 07:44

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 01/10/2026 07:30

Yes, I was on Mumsnet years & years ago - and am only recently back, so missed anything said about the last government (I think we’ve been through 6-7 Prime Minister’s since I was last here!). I think the tone was a bit different then - but am learning the ropes!

I guess it’s always going to be the case that the people posting online about politics will have more strongly held views than most people in the real world.

It’s just different. It doesn’t mean much about the strength of views.

Posters do as you put for the other parties (and the next poster with the doggedly line), they are part of it so don’t see it as much as for their own party but it’s still there.

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 01/10/2026 07:53

EasternStandard · 01/10/2026 07:44

It’s just different. It doesn’t mean much about the strength of views.

Posters do as you put for the other parties (and the next poster with the doggedly line), they are part of it so don’t see it as much as for their own party but it’s still there.

I think I see what you mean. I don’t really have a party I think of as “my own party” so I guess that’s part of why it seems odd to me.

But I suppose the government are always going to get more flak and scrutiny than the opposition parties - and probably rightly so.