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AIBU to think Burnham’s words may haunt his premiership?

546 replies

Greyrock79 · Today 07:16

To think that Burnham’s words are going to haunt his premiership?

‘…national security can’t come at the expense of social security…’

OP posts:
LuckyHazelFox · Today 08:42

sunshinesuki · Today 08:35

Yep, Labour and commerce don't really get along.

11AndCounting · Today 08:43

Pineneedlesincarpet · Today 08:41

We obviously need to cut welfare significantly. Spending is far too high and onky getting higher. The country can't afford it. We are no longer in the top 20 for GDP per capita but are spending like we are in the top three. Those days are gone.

We obviously need to increase defence spending. The peace dividend no longer exists. And all defence experts say it needs to be done urgently.

Labour haven't come up with any way to increase defence spending because they can't grow tbe economy and they can't borrow any more due to the cost of the moron's premium. They seem to be hoping that something will turn up on that front in tne next few months eg an end to the Ukraine war. I suspect thats a risky strategy when it comes to protecting our country.

So AB is trying to play for time. His words jist verbalise what we already knew about the Labour Party. The party of benefits. And thats all that matters. Oh and Gaza.

It shouldn't cost that much to throw Farage and other threats to national security in prison, surely?

Binnyforthewin · Today 08:44

DeeferDogg · Today 07:58

You don't want an echo chamber do you, OP?

How about we wait for the budget?

We played that game before. Remember waiting for the Reeves budgets and finding out that her and Starmer were an even bigger pile of shit than they had indicated.

sunshinesuki · Today 08:45

11AndCounting · Today 08:43

It shouldn't cost that much to throw Farage and other threats to national security in prison, surely?

Farage & Co aren't in power (except in your head) so stop deflecting.

Greenseacat · Today 08:45

Why are so many people getting desperate to smear him already? It is getting pathetic...

There is no reason why defence spending has to come at the expense of the welfare safety net. That's just right-wing rhetoric.

The biggest welfare spending is pensions anyway.

I would prefer to see a wealth tax to prop up defence spending.

hattie43 · Today 08:46

He’s like a floundering middle manager . You can’t run a country on ideologies .

Pineneedlesincarpet · Today 08:47

11AndCounting · Today 08:43

It shouldn't cost that much to throw Farage and other threats to national security in prison, surely?

Labour's unwillingness to defend us from potential attack and defend our borders from thousands of young men from countries we were recently at war with and who may not have the UKs interests at heart are the threat to national security. "Nigel Farage" is just a knee jerk word from the left. Like Tourettes.

senua · Today 08:48

So AB is trying to play for time. His words just verbalise what we already knew about the Labour Party. The party of benefits.
What's the difference between Labour giving out loads of benefits payments and Trump promising $5,000 to every adult? They are both using taxpayers' cash to influence voting patterns in their favour.

NorthXNorthWest · Today 08:50

ExtraOnions · Today 07:47

Another anti-Burnham thread … and before 8am as well, is that a record ?

And yet here you are acting like thread police and adding to the post count.

Rather ironic don't you think?

11AndCounting · Today 08:50

sunshinesuki · Today 08:45

Farage & Co aren't in power (except in your head) so stop deflecting.

I thought the thread was about national security?

I for one am really happy to see dangerous traitors - the type who get funded by the Kremlin, or the owners of cryptocurrency platforms that help Russia evade sanctions - getting exposed for what they are.

Gill and Farage, reunited at last, and our nation will be a lot more secure for it.

BadBadCat · Today 08:51

Probably, because people are a bit thick and can't see what he really meant which was that he's not prepared to cut social security spending to fund defence, rather than defence is less important than social security.

If he'd said he was going to cut disability benefits to fund defence you'd all be up in arms!

Pineneedlesincarpet · Today 08:51

Greenseacat · Today 08:45

Why are so many people getting desperate to smear him already? It is getting pathetic...

There is no reason why defence spending has to come at the expense of the welfare safety net. That's just right-wing rhetoric.

The biggest welfare spending is pensions anyway.

I would prefer to see a wealth tax to prop up defence spending.

We don't have the wealth to tax. Its draining away unfortunately.

Its not desperation to smear him. Its just impatience that Labour have put up another duff. We need a serious PM for serious times not a tiktokker. (I thought MPs weren't allowed on tiktok anyway). Andy Burnham was rejected in last leadership elections because there were better people available then. Hes only PM now because Labour were desperate and looking at the front benches and the PLP there wasn't anyone else to chose for the leadership.

emuloc · Today 08:52

LuckyHazelFox · Today 07:39

Without protecting our national security, there won't be any need for social security. He's no Churchill, is he?

Good, he should not try to be like that Man, either.

Pineneedlesincarpet · Today 08:53

BadBadCat · Today 08:51

Probably, because people are a bit thick and can't see what he really meant which was that he's not prepared to cut social security spending to fund defence, rather than defence is less important than social security.

If he'd said he was going to cut disability benefits to fund defence you'd all be up in arms!

If its a choice I wouldn't. I dont want my sons to have to go to war because countries thought we were vulnerable and so had a crack at attacking us thanks. First duty of government is to defend the state. Not second behind disability benefits.

Meadowfinch · Today 08:53

That one sentence showed he isn't a nation's leader, he is a town hall bureaucrat.

And Putin will have been listening closely

dontcookwontcook · Today 08:54

I actually think the chancellor will have to resign if he doesn’t increase défense spending. He’s in a right pickle now after the stand he took to help oust Starmer
he’ll he the one thrown under the bus over burnham

dontcookwontcook · Today 08:55

Meadowfinch · Today 08:53

That one sentence showed he isn't a nation's leader, he is a town hall bureaucrat.

And Putin will have been listening closely

Who isn’t these days? Like who, from any party, appears to be an actual leader? They’re all corporate speaking managers who seem to have no ideas whatsoever. I don’t even know where we found them all. Just dross all round.

NolanChanceJustLikeTheWeatherNSoul · Today 08:56

14 years of Tories cuts to defence year in year out was never going to be turned round in two years.
Badenoch should shut her yap with the smart arse comments
It was her lot that created this mess.

Binnyforthewin · Today 08:56

It will haunt him. In a world of soundbite politics him saying that on the record is as damaging as the "Every meeting I have is: 'Who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others?'" line.

It tells you want he thinks beneath the mask

NorthXNorthWest · Today 08:56

LoyalMintOtter · Today 07:52

Not as good as previous threads - 'we hate Andy Burnham'...because 'we hate Andy Burnham'...boring. Please be more creative in your work..

Nobody needs to get creative about AB. He is providing all the ammunition himself. Those who genuinely want to see things fixed should be questioning his credibility and that of the wider Labour Party.

SevenYellowHammers · Today 08:58

Notsosweetcaroline · Today 07:42

Didn’t take long for his true colours to show through.

Correct, his true colours are to protect working class people. He is right to show his true colours.

CoventryCity · Today 08:58

houseonthehill · Today 07:26

Possibly, as people can be a bit thick. ‘Social security’ is clearly a much wider thing than ‘benefits’, which I assume you are thinking of.

Yu are incorrect, of course. Oh the irony. I recommend you read the governments report on 'social security' (aka benefits system)

Development of the benefit system
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9535/CBP-9535.pdf

Will Ferrell GIF
SevenYellowHammers · Today 08:59

NolanChanceJustLikeTheWeatherNSoul · Today 08:56

14 years of Tories cuts to defence year in year out was never going to be turned round in two years.
Badenoch should shut her yap with the smart arse comments
It was her lot that created this mess.

Naga just took her down on BBC.

Pineneedlesincarpet · Today 08:59

SevenYellowHammers · Today 08:58

Correct, his true colours are to protect working class people. He is right to show his true colours.

Hes not protecting working class people. Hes protecting people who aren't working.

CoventryCity · Today 08:59

SevenYellowHammers · Today 08:58

Correct, his true colours are to protect working class people. He is right to show his true colours.

I think you mean non working class. Labour haven't been the party for the 'working class' for a very long time.