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AIBU to think Burnham’s words may haunt his premiership?

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Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 07:16

To think that Burnham’s words are going to haunt his premiership?

‘…national security can’t come at the expense of social security…’

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Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 20:52

They are not going to be a Home Guard doing ARP drills, are they? They need bodyguards to keep the public away from them.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:03

I've been off line and off grid for 24 hours, and it sounds like Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister, has said that he will favour paying benefits over any other priority. Who is going to get up to go to work every morning to pay? I shan't have a choice because I will pay 20% of everything over my £12,570 state pension next year.

Going to work HAS to pay better than milking the benefit cow.

11AndCounting · 10/09/2026 21:08

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:03

I've been off line and off grid for 24 hours, and it sounds like Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister, has said that he will favour paying benefits over any other priority. Who is going to get up to go to work every morning to pay? I shan't have a choice because I will pay 20% of everything over my £12,570 state pension next year.

Going to work HAS to pay better than milking the benefit cow.

I've been off line and off grid for 24 hours, and it sounds like Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister, has said that he will favour paying benefits over any other priority.
Maybe you should read up, that's not what he said.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:19

I've been reading along for the last six hours or so. I think I am caught up. And I did read the papers, so I read two serious broadsheet papers' reports. Andy Burnham said that he is likely to put social equality and justice ahead of national defence. We will be just as dead either way.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:21

Dead or broke... a retirement complex in Chiang Mai looks more and more attractive every day.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2026 21:26

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:21

Dead or broke... a retirement complex in Chiang Mai looks more and more attractive every day.

China is the safeguarding financial bet right now. Not the US or the UK or EU.

Learn Mandarin.

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 21:35

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:19

I've been reading along for the last six hours or so. I think I am caught up. And I did read the papers, so I read two serious broadsheet papers' reports. Andy Burnham said that he is likely to put social equality and justice ahead of national defence. We will be just as dead either way.

This is what he said:

‘I say to the right hon. Lady that, yes, we do everything to support our national security, but it cannot come at the expense of social security. Having strong national security also depends on resilience in our communities. We on the Labour Benches will not be forced to choose between the two, and we will set out a plan to get to 3.5% by 2035 at the spending review.’

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:36

Seriously. We are 70. We have some health issues, but we have done okay financially. We have enough money if we stay well and die at 77. Statistically, my DH may not get there, but I probably will as all my GGPs made their late 80s in decent shape. If I go blind, what would I prefer for my dependent geriatric years? Who makes the choice?

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 21:38

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2026 21:26

China is the safeguarding financial bet right now. Not the US or the UK or EU.

Learn Mandarin.

A fancy all female retirement complex in the UK would suit me fine. China no thanks! Thriving or not.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2026 21:40

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 21:35

This is what he said:

‘I say to the right hon. Lady that, yes, we do everything to support our national security, but it cannot come at the expense of social security. Having strong national security also depends on resilience in our communities. We on the Labour Benches will not be forced to choose between the two, and we will set out a plan to get to 3.5% by 2035 at the spending review.’

2035?!

That's hilarious.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:41

@RedToothBrush , I am good at European Romance languages but beginners Mandarin at 70 looks a big ask. Gulp.

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 21:42

AB really is an amateur. I believe he also said he's open to another Scottish referendum. He reminds me of Prince George in Blackadder. Mind you if the English get a vote (ie. choice) next time, we might get a different result.

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 21:42

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2026 21:40

2035?!

That's hilarious.

rather 'optimistic'

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:45

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 21:35

This is what he said:

‘I say to the right hon. Lady that, yes, we do everything to support our national security, but it cannot come at the expense of social security. Having strong national security also depends on resilience in our communities. We on the Labour Benches will not be forced to choose between the two, and we will set out a plan to get to 3.5% by 2035 at the spending review.’

Blabber, blabber, blabber ---- frankly.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:49

If the UK/England were to get the vote of Scottish independence, I think I would vote for it. Provided it severed every single financial tie between the nations.

11AndCounting · 10/09/2026 21:52

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:19

I've been reading along for the last six hours or so. I think I am caught up. And I did read the papers, so I read two serious broadsheet papers' reports. Andy Burnham said that he is likely to put social equality and justice ahead of national defence. We will be just as dead either way.

Andy Burnham said that he is likely to put social equality and justice ahead of national defence.
No, he didn't.

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 21:52

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 20:47

The Home Guard.............. I don't think so. On the next flight somewhere else more likely.

Cotswolds and Muswell Hill

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:58

Defensive positions? Not certain those would be my first choices. The Cotswolds more than Muswell Hill for definite, but I would go for the highest ground.

11AndCounting · 10/09/2026 22:00

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 21:42

AB really is an amateur. I believe he also said he's open to another Scottish referendum. He reminds me of Prince George in Blackadder. Mind you if the English get a vote (ie. choice) next time, we might get a different result.

Mind you if the English get a vote (ie. choice) next time, we might get a different result.
I doubt it, as that would only increase England's energy dependence, at a time of wide public support for North Sea drilling.

Not sure why they'd get a vote on it anyway, mind.

sunshinesuki · 10/09/2026 22:04

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 21:35

This is what he said:

‘I say to the right hon. Lady that, yes, we do everything to support our national security, but it cannot come at the expense of social security. Having strong national security also depends on resilience in our communities. We on the Labour Benches will not be forced to choose between the two, and we will set out a plan to get to 3.5% by 2035 at the spending review.’

Well that's huge word salad that says absolutely nothing.

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 22:11

11AndCounting · 10/09/2026 22:00

Mind you if the English get a vote (ie. choice) next time, we might get a different result.
I doubt it, as that would only increase England's energy dependence, at a time of wide public support for North Sea drilling.

Not sure why they'd get a vote on it anyway, mind.

But there will be no more north sea drilling AB said

Because it's a decision that affects England and Scotland. So both should get a say. Democratic innit.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 22:16

sunshinesuki · 10/09/2026 22:04

Well that's huge word salad that says absolutely nothing.

Yep

11AndCounting · 10/09/2026 22:25

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 22:11

But there will be no more north sea drilling AB said

Because it's a decision that affects England and Scotland. So both should get a say. Democratic innit.

For one, I doubt he'll be PM forever and ever.

Secondly:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj9xe09jz4eo

A mostly yellow-painted gas platform and allied grey rig stand in calm blue seas with a clear blue sky behind them. It is sunny.

Jackdaw gas field set to be approved as soon as mid-September, sources say

The government is set to give the go-ahead for the gas field off the coast of Aberdeen, the BBC understands.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj9xe09jz4eo

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 22:26

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 20:20

Sheer idiocy. You cannot raise tax very much because if you do
People like Chris Rokos, who paid £330m in income and other taxes last year just leave the UK, and pay tax due to Greece. So 38,000 more taxpayers at 20% are needed to replace the tax lost.

People who have an idea for something new don't start it in the UK because it might not be earned income from a job.

This government totally miss the entrepreneur mindset. They over tax small business too soon, and are terrified by the giants whose turnover is almost as large as GDP.

If one individual is so stinking rich that the lack of their tax would ruin UK economy, then there is something very, very wrong. Nobody needs to be that rich. I’d have some sympathy for this notion of entrepreneurial aptitude if the trickle down theory was true but it clearly isn’t.

I have worked full time, bloody hard in Nursing and then teaching since 1984, taking only a couple of months mat leave. I worked full time through Higher Ed.

I have paid full tax over all that time , paid into pension, saved for my kid’s university years and I’m bloody proud of my effort and contribution.

But I couldn’t sell a glass of water to a man dying of thirst. It’s just not in me. Honest days pay, for honest days work and pay your taxes.

NHS has done me and mine proud. We’ve been vaccinated and nurtured all our lives.

The cost of my taxation is the same as rich buggers and I’ve never felt need to hire an accountant to help me dodge it or threatened to leave this country.

I’ve never begrudged a penny of welfare or benefit to anyone. I would like to see more money (through tax) spent on ensuring armed forces veterans are homed and cared for life.

I don’t understand why some folks are so damn greedy.

11AndCounting · 10/09/2026 22:29

sunshinesuki · 10/09/2026 22:04

Well that's huge word salad that says absolutely nothing.

I don't see what people find so challenging about understanding it, tbh.

"We're going to increase defence spending, but we are not going to finance it through immediate benefits cuts".

Feels like people are bending over backwards to make that into something controversial.

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