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AIBU to think Burnham’s words may haunt his premiership?

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Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 07:16

To think that Burnham’s words are going to haunt his premiership?

‘…national security can’t come at the expense of social security…’

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EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 11:40

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:39

Nope, didn't name anyone and didn't link a thread or quote a thread.

It was an obvious reference to an existing thread.

TemperanceWest · 10/09/2026 11:41

Binnyforthewin · 10/09/2026 11:27

I think that might be me! I'm not a new joiner. I name change quite a bit otherwise people use AI to analysis your posts, as if finding that you once agreed with something Starmer said 3 years ago is some kind of Gotcha.

Obviously most of the news at the moment is how crap Labour are doing. If you want to start threads about how well Burnham is doing feel free - but it is presumably difficult to find much to write!

people use AI to analysis your posts

Do they? How do you get AI to do that? Asking for a friend 😀

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:41

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 11:40

It was an obvious reference to an existing thread.

It want to TAAT it, that's on you.

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 11:41

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:21

That they are a one issue poster.

Which thread? Which poster? Fascinating stuff..

HurryUpMrPostman · 10/09/2026 11:41

The UK is in a mess. So is lots of Europe to be fair but where the UK used to be 'somewhere in the middle' of bond rates paid by G7 countries we are now the highest. In other words the bond market views us as the most risky to lend to out of all the G7.

If our govt managed to stop borrowing today and didn't borrow one more penny, our interest bill is still going to increase. Older bonds falling due for payment will have to be refinanced at current rates which are much higher. So you can see that our outgoings are going up even in the unlikely event we can stop borrowing.

The only way out is to reduce our debt which reduces interest but also signals to the market we are digging ourselves out. That in turn hopefully leads to them lending to us at lower rates.

Ideal world we build growth and increase economic activity so more money comes in. I haven't seen anything that suggests this is happening. I've only seen taxes on more things being suggested.

So we need to take our pot of money and split it differently and it needs to be drastic.
By drastic I mean things like care homes for sen children rather than paying out lots of money individually. They can be cared for and given some education there. Everyone is going to shout loudly but that sticks to our money plan and they are still 'ok'. Perhaps not great but not starving on the street either.

Now we need to apply a similar outlook to each and every area of spending. So state pension age increased with immediate effect to say 70. Triple lock gone and it increases in line with inflation or something. Yip that is going to be painful and lots of outrage but people will still get a pension just not as good as currently.

NHS - how about something really simple like we all buy an NHS 'card' for a fixed cost say £500 per year. A bit like paying for the yearly perscription. It's not ideal because there will still be wastage and missed appointments but it's a start to making people realise that we just can't afford free healthcare anymore. Ideally people would pay per service but that is more costly to implement. We should kept vaccinations free as we don't want the return of old diseases.

Welfare - All mental health conditions should have money stopped and therapy/medication instead. People who really do need help will take it gladly. People who are milking the system will lose their money and not bother going to the therapy because it's hard work.

Anyway I think you all get the drift. The changes have to be severe and tough shit to all the moaning.

There are lots of easy ones to do as well - yes WFA should go. Fuck the moaning. Immigrants should be given tents, water and bread. Those in real danger will still come. Those milking the system will stop coming.

Yes we should fund defence properly because it's just an essential service and without it quite frankly we are sitting ducks. We no longer have our old allies and world order is changing. It could also help boost our economy/manufacturing.

Other obvious savings are things like housing benefit. If you need your rent paid because you can't afford your own place paid for by you then you get something very basic like halls of residences. So a room each, a canteen. Very basic so you are not on the street. Cost hugely down. Yes there will be screaming and shouting. So let them. They have to realise it's now or never to turn things around.

Anyway I think you all get the drift. Do I think AB is going to do a good job. Probably not. It is going to take someone really tough to stand up to the public and turn the ship around. The only person I can see that might be able to do it is restore party. I don't agree with all their policies but the majority are sensible and truthful.

I mean wouldn't the UK be a great country to attack if you were going to attack anyone. Weakly defended, poor finances, poor leadership but still with the old reputation of 'Great Britain' I mean that would be quite a coup to take down a country that used to rule the world.

There is going to be lots and lots of changes required or we don't survive. Simple.

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:42

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 11:41

Which thread? Which poster? Fascinating stuff..

Edited

Ask Eastern, she seems to know.

MargoLivebetter · 10/09/2026 11:42

Binnyforthewin · 10/09/2026 11:38

Here nice little article that explains the difference between the average and the best for you!

Bad news for mortgage borrowers as five lenders hike rates following bond market turmoil | This is Money

Hope that helps!

Thank you. That is a really good article.

Opening sentence "A raft of mortgage lenders have hiked their rates today in response to escalation of the conflict in Iran and resulting chaos on the bond markets."

A few sentences later "Fears interest rates may need to rise, due to inflation triggered by a flare-up in the conflict between the US and Iran in the Middle East have been behind a bout of global bond-market turmoil."

Nothing to do with Andy Burnham!

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 11:42

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:42

Ask Eastern, she seems to know.

I'm asking you.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 11:42

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:42

Ask Eastern, she seems to know.

It’s your post 😬

ShitHoleDweller · 10/09/2026 11:43

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:09

It's a bit circular isn't it, non doms enjoyed UK due to not having to pay tax on overseas earnings, so UK get less tax. Now nom doms have found new tax havens, so UK gets less tax.

I think the point is there’s a sweet spot with all of this and we have lost it.

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 11:43

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 10:27

9/11 was still effectively localised. It wasn't a world war. Same with the Falklands and tne terrorist attacks. The UK hasn't been invaded.

Felt like it as I walked out of London that day. An attack if not an invasion. We were sitting targets because of the “special relationship”. We wouldn’t need half our defence budget if it wasn’t for our stupid bloody special relationship.

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:43

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 11:42

I'm asking you.

I don't think TAATing is allowed.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 11:46

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 11:42

I'm asking you.

If no joy it’s mentioned below.

ShitHoleDweller · 10/09/2026 11:46

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:27

No, it's not you. I'm not naming names.

Youre troll hunting by any other name. Just report your suspicions and let MNHQ sort it.

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 11:47

HurryUpMrPostman · 10/09/2026 11:41

The UK is in a mess. So is lots of Europe to be fair but where the UK used to be 'somewhere in the middle' of bond rates paid by G7 countries we are now the highest. In other words the bond market views us as the most risky to lend to out of all the G7.

If our govt managed to stop borrowing today and didn't borrow one more penny, our interest bill is still going to increase. Older bonds falling due for payment will have to be refinanced at current rates which are much higher. So you can see that our outgoings are going up even in the unlikely event we can stop borrowing.

The only way out is to reduce our debt which reduces interest but also signals to the market we are digging ourselves out. That in turn hopefully leads to them lending to us at lower rates.

Ideal world we build growth and increase economic activity so more money comes in. I haven't seen anything that suggests this is happening. I've only seen taxes on more things being suggested.

So we need to take our pot of money and split it differently and it needs to be drastic.
By drastic I mean things like care homes for sen children rather than paying out lots of money individually. They can be cared for and given some education there. Everyone is going to shout loudly but that sticks to our money plan and they are still 'ok'. Perhaps not great but not starving on the street either.

Now we need to apply a similar outlook to each and every area of spending. So state pension age increased with immediate effect to say 70. Triple lock gone and it increases in line with inflation or something. Yip that is going to be painful and lots of outrage but people will still get a pension just not as good as currently.

NHS - how about something really simple like we all buy an NHS 'card' for a fixed cost say £500 per year. A bit like paying for the yearly perscription. It's not ideal because there will still be wastage and missed appointments but it's a start to making people realise that we just can't afford free healthcare anymore. Ideally people would pay per service but that is more costly to implement. We should kept vaccinations free as we don't want the return of old diseases.

Welfare - All mental health conditions should have money stopped and therapy/medication instead. People who really do need help will take it gladly. People who are milking the system will lose their money and not bother going to the therapy because it's hard work.

Anyway I think you all get the drift. The changes have to be severe and tough shit to all the moaning.

There are lots of easy ones to do as well - yes WFA should go. Fuck the moaning. Immigrants should be given tents, water and bread. Those in real danger will still come. Those milking the system will stop coming.

Yes we should fund defence properly because it's just an essential service and without it quite frankly we are sitting ducks. We no longer have our old allies and world order is changing. It could also help boost our economy/manufacturing.

Other obvious savings are things like housing benefit. If you need your rent paid because you can't afford your own place paid for by you then you get something very basic like halls of residences. So a room each, a canteen. Very basic so you are not on the street. Cost hugely down. Yes there will be screaming and shouting. So let them. They have to realise it's now or never to turn things around.

Anyway I think you all get the drift. Do I think AB is going to do a good job. Probably not. It is going to take someone really tough to stand up to the public and turn the ship around. The only person I can see that might be able to do it is restore party. I don't agree with all their policies but the majority are sensible and truthful.

I mean wouldn't the UK be a great country to attack if you were going to attack anyone. Weakly defended, poor finances, poor leadership but still with the old reputation of 'Great Britain' I mean that would be quite a coup to take down a country that used to rule the world.

There is going to be lots and lots of changes required or we don't survive. Simple.

Are you going to go round the tents of freezing kids with a basket of bread and water?

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 11:48

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:43

I don't think TAATing is allowed.

That being the case, why did you do that earlier? Peculiar.

nomas · Today 11:15
I think you have a point, the thread on Andy Burnham / social security / national security thread was started by a poster who only posts threads about Andy Burnham / Labour.
Like literally 95% of all their posts were about Andy Burnham. And a new joiner to MN too.
One issue posters do raise suspicions for me.

Clubbiscuit · 10/09/2026 11:49

HurryUpMrPostman · 10/09/2026 11:41

The UK is in a mess. So is lots of Europe to be fair but where the UK used to be 'somewhere in the middle' of bond rates paid by G7 countries we are now the highest. In other words the bond market views us as the most risky to lend to out of all the G7.

If our govt managed to stop borrowing today and didn't borrow one more penny, our interest bill is still going to increase. Older bonds falling due for payment will have to be refinanced at current rates which are much higher. So you can see that our outgoings are going up even in the unlikely event we can stop borrowing.

The only way out is to reduce our debt which reduces interest but also signals to the market we are digging ourselves out. That in turn hopefully leads to them lending to us at lower rates.

Ideal world we build growth and increase economic activity so more money comes in. I haven't seen anything that suggests this is happening. I've only seen taxes on more things being suggested.

So we need to take our pot of money and split it differently and it needs to be drastic.
By drastic I mean things like care homes for sen children rather than paying out lots of money individually. They can be cared for and given some education there. Everyone is going to shout loudly but that sticks to our money plan and they are still 'ok'. Perhaps not great but not starving on the street either.

Now we need to apply a similar outlook to each and every area of spending. So state pension age increased with immediate effect to say 70. Triple lock gone and it increases in line with inflation or something. Yip that is going to be painful and lots of outrage but people will still get a pension just not as good as currently.

NHS - how about something really simple like we all buy an NHS 'card' for a fixed cost say £500 per year. A bit like paying for the yearly perscription. It's not ideal because there will still be wastage and missed appointments but it's a start to making people realise that we just can't afford free healthcare anymore. Ideally people would pay per service but that is more costly to implement. We should kept vaccinations free as we don't want the return of old diseases.

Welfare - All mental health conditions should have money stopped and therapy/medication instead. People who really do need help will take it gladly. People who are milking the system will lose their money and not bother going to the therapy because it's hard work.

Anyway I think you all get the drift. The changes have to be severe and tough shit to all the moaning.

There are lots of easy ones to do as well - yes WFA should go. Fuck the moaning. Immigrants should be given tents, water and bread. Those in real danger will still come. Those milking the system will stop coming.

Yes we should fund defence properly because it's just an essential service and without it quite frankly we are sitting ducks. We no longer have our old allies and world order is changing. It could also help boost our economy/manufacturing.

Other obvious savings are things like housing benefit. If you need your rent paid because you can't afford your own place paid for by you then you get something very basic like halls of residences. So a room each, a canteen. Very basic so you are not on the street. Cost hugely down. Yes there will be screaming and shouting. So let them. They have to realise it's now or never to turn things around.

Anyway I think you all get the drift. Do I think AB is going to do a good job. Probably not. It is going to take someone really tough to stand up to the public and turn the ship around. The only person I can see that might be able to do it is restore party. I don't agree with all their policies but the majority are sensible and truthful.

I mean wouldn't the UK be a great country to attack if you were going to attack anyone. Weakly defended, poor finances, poor leadership but still with the old reputation of 'Great Britain' I mean that would be quite a coup to take down a country that used to rule the world.

There is going to be lots and lots of changes required or we don't survive. Simple.

Let me guess - you’re a Tory.
FML, putting SENDs kids in homes so they don’t ’starve on the streets’ is a disgraceful way to talk about people. And they can’t reduce the pension because it’s already not enough to live on.

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:49

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 11:48

That being the case, why did you do that earlier? Peculiar.

nomas · Today 11:15
I think you have a point, the thread on Andy Burnham / social security / national security thread was started by a poster who only posts threads about Andy Burnham / Labour.
Like literally 95% of all their posts were about Andy Burnham. And a new joiner to MN too.
One issue posters do raise suspicions for me.

It was an oblique reference, I'm not naming the thread despite constant requests to do so.

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 11:53

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:49

It was an oblique reference, I'm not naming the thread despite constant requests to do so.

😂There was nothing oblique about it. Hilarious. Anyway. We digress from how shit Andy Burnham is. Well it's not him alone, to be fair. It's the (non) Labour Party. Dreadful.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2026 11:53

NotSurprisedReallyNow · 10/09/2026 11:36

He’s right though and he has morals and integrity.

Morals and integrity don't pay bills.
It may ultimately come down to choosing to become poorer and therefore more economically vulnerable anyway. Or not.

TemperanceWest · 10/09/2026 11:54

HurryUpMrPostman · 10/09/2026 11:41

The UK is in a mess. So is lots of Europe to be fair but where the UK used to be 'somewhere in the middle' of bond rates paid by G7 countries we are now the highest. In other words the bond market views us as the most risky to lend to out of all the G7.

If our govt managed to stop borrowing today and didn't borrow one more penny, our interest bill is still going to increase. Older bonds falling due for payment will have to be refinanced at current rates which are much higher. So you can see that our outgoings are going up even in the unlikely event we can stop borrowing.

The only way out is to reduce our debt which reduces interest but also signals to the market we are digging ourselves out. That in turn hopefully leads to them lending to us at lower rates.

Ideal world we build growth and increase economic activity so more money comes in. I haven't seen anything that suggests this is happening. I've only seen taxes on more things being suggested.

So we need to take our pot of money and split it differently and it needs to be drastic.
By drastic I mean things like care homes for sen children rather than paying out lots of money individually. They can be cared for and given some education there. Everyone is going to shout loudly but that sticks to our money plan and they are still 'ok'. Perhaps not great but not starving on the street either.

Now we need to apply a similar outlook to each and every area of spending. So state pension age increased with immediate effect to say 70. Triple lock gone and it increases in line with inflation or something. Yip that is going to be painful and lots of outrage but people will still get a pension just not as good as currently.

NHS - how about something really simple like we all buy an NHS 'card' for a fixed cost say £500 per year. A bit like paying for the yearly perscription. It's not ideal because there will still be wastage and missed appointments but it's a start to making people realise that we just can't afford free healthcare anymore. Ideally people would pay per service but that is more costly to implement. We should kept vaccinations free as we don't want the return of old diseases.

Welfare - All mental health conditions should have money stopped and therapy/medication instead. People who really do need help will take it gladly. People who are milking the system will lose their money and not bother going to the therapy because it's hard work.

Anyway I think you all get the drift. The changes have to be severe and tough shit to all the moaning.

There are lots of easy ones to do as well - yes WFA should go. Fuck the moaning. Immigrants should be given tents, water and bread. Those in real danger will still come. Those milking the system will stop coming.

Yes we should fund defence properly because it's just an essential service and without it quite frankly we are sitting ducks. We no longer have our old allies and world order is changing. It could also help boost our economy/manufacturing.

Other obvious savings are things like housing benefit. If you need your rent paid because you can't afford your own place paid for by you then you get something very basic like halls of residences. So a room each, a canteen. Very basic so you are not on the street. Cost hugely down. Yes there will be screaming and shouting. So let them. They have to realise it's now or never to turn things around.

Anyway I think you all get the drift. Do I think AB is going to do a good job. Probably not. It is going to take someone really tough to stand up to the public and turn the ship around. The only person I can see that might be able to do it is restore party. I don't agree with all their policies but the majority are sensible and truthful.

I mean wouldn't the UK be a great country to attack if you were going to attack anyone. Weakly defended, poor finances, poor leadership but still with the old reputation of 'Great Britain' I mean that would be quite a coup to take down a country that used to rule the world.

There is going to be lots and lots of changes required or we don't survive. Simple.

By drastic I mean things like care homes for sen children rather than paying out lots of money individually

Apart from anything else, that will cost a huge amount of money. Why do you think Thatcher introduced Care in the Community?

So state pension age increased with immediate effect to say 70. Triple lock gone

Which means even fewer jobs for the young and an increase in the disabilityand unemployment benefits bill as people become too ill to work or can't get work as employers are not known for their love of employing people 55+. I don't disagree with looking at the triple lock.

Other obvious savings are things like housing benefit. If you need your rent paid because you can't afford your own place paid for by you then you get something very basic like halls of residences. So a room each, a canteen. Very basic so you are not on the street

Again very expensive. Where are these halls of residence going to come from? Where will they be located? What about people with children? What about people who only need HB temporarily? Won't landlords be a bit unhappy if their tenants break their tenancy agreements?

I could go on, but you get the picture.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 11:54

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:49

It was an oblique reference, I'm not naming the thread despite constant requests to do so.

Your oblique reference radar needs updating. It’s entirely obvious.

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:56

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 11:54

Your oblique reference radar needs updating. It’s entirely obvious.

Not naming posters or threads is oblique.

nomas · 10/09/2026 11:57

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 11:53

😂There was nothing oblique about it. Hilarious. Anyway. We digress from how shit Andy Burnham is. Well it's not him alone, to be fair. It's the (non) Labour Party. Dreadful.

So why did you ask me which thread it was if you knew already?

Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 11:57

ilovesooty · 10/09/2026 11:05

Since they're invariably started by name changing posters and quickly populated by posters consistently hostile to the government, it certainly isn't worth attempting any meaningful debate.

And yet, here you are.

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